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OK, this is where you ask questions or make comments. If Inspector Bob doesn't know the answer or doesn't have time to find the answer, we encourage other inspectors are to comment and help provide answers. Anything considered offensive will be deleted. Inspector Bob's comments and answers represent one inspector's opinion and are based on personal experience. Click here to see photo's of Inspector Bob's recent project. Readers that review these comments should consult Title 24 and the approved plans and specifications for the project they are assigned. If you disagree with any comment or answer given, please submit your own thoughts on the subject! Please try to keep subject matter focused on code and specific site construction issues.

Name: Inspector George
Date: 21 Jan 2010
Time: 12:23:20

QuestionorComment

TO Inspector Help Number 1 Inspect only to the approved plan Number 2 Bring your question to the attention of the AOR Number 3 If still concerned bring it to the attention of your DSA Field Engineer he or she is your immediate supervisor on the DSA side in so far as they will be writing up your Project Inspector Performance Review

Name: Inspector Help
Date: 08 Jan 2010
Time: 13:34:47

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I am working on a DSA renovation project that has existing doors that do not comply with the code the thirty inch doors do not meet thirty two inch clearance requirements in addition some doors do not have a twelve inch pull where existing walls and casework encroach into the area The non compliant doors are off the corridor in a vestibule and the approved drawings indicate a change to only one door approved by DSA what do i do

I assume you are talking about physically staggering the rebar splices like at a slab, deck or wall so that all the splices do not occur in one continuous line. This addresses (as you stated in the last part of your question) offsetting where the splices occur and avoids a weakened plane where a hinge could occur. E.G.: Any single splice in a wall curtain vertical bar would have the splice at the adjacent vertical bar occur above or below this splice by the specified stagger; one higher at the wall, the next lower at the wall. For horizontal curtain steel the bar splices would be one to the left, the next to the right, etc., staggered by the specified amount. I hate seeing a contractor install rebar in a CMU wall with no stagger at the splices....where do you think the weak point will be in the wall?

Again, I'm assuming you are NOT talking about weld stagger at rebar.

Name: dsa mike
Date: 08 Jan 2010
Time: 07:47:11

QuestionorComment

on staggered splices of rebar does this mean that no part of two seperate splices can be in the same area plus the stagger or they simply are offset from each other the required stagger number

T-Bar Mike; There is typically a chain of command on every school or hospital project. The owner, the owner's rep (PM/CM), the architect, the contractor. The IOR is independent but responsible to DSA and the architect of record. I don't know where you fit in this line-up. Are you a subcontractor...then speak to the contractor. Are you the contractor....then speak to the CM. The best thing to do is to sit down with the IOR and try to find some common ground.

Name: T-BAR MIKE
Date: 07 Jan 2010
Time: 09:25:51

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We are currently installing acoustical ceilings on a High School project in Los Angeles and we have encountered problems with the IOR I have been in the acoustical ceiling business for twenty plus years and the foreman on this project has over thirty years experience my question is who can we contact if we have a problem with the IOR on the project

Clouseau; Don't we just follow the approved plans or, if detailing is not clear, shouldn't we have the AOR's engineering consultant provide direction or clarification? If there is a code issue this should also go to the AOR for direction or clarification.

Name: inspector clouseau
Date: 04 Jan 2010
Time: 13:45:12

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Each relocatable building requires a separate ground rod when you put together four relocatable buildings each with sub panels with seperate feeder from switch gear do you still need one ground per panel or is one ground rod per building good and is a bond between each building required print showed earth ground per panel I thank you clouseau

We've answered this one a couple times (see past entries below). There is no "school". You must come out of a construction/inspection background that qualifies you for certification. DSA masonry license will only get you part way there. Remember, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, framing, steel, concrete, masonry, fire alarm, fire sprinkler systems are part of the DSA inspector duties (depending on level of certification). Go to DSA web site and look at guidelines for certification.

Name: kevin
Date: 30 Dec 2009
Time: 14:18:31

QuestionorComment

need info on where i can go to school for dsa inspection and how having dsa masonry can help me get my foot in the door

All your wall types should be detailed on your approved plans or designated in your approved specifications. Chapter 25 in 2001 CBC ode has an interesting conflict in wordage. First of all it says "wallboard shall not be installed until weather protection for the installation is provided." It also says "Gypsum wall board shall not be installed on exterior surfaces." It also states ""Water-resistant gypsum board shall not be used "in areas subject to high humidity such as saunas..." or "On ceilings where frame spacing exceeds 12 inches on center." The last 2 quotes apply to use of gypsum in shower enclosures and water closets.

Where does that leave you...? The interior side of your walls is not truly an exterior condition. However, the issue of "weather protection" may be infringed upon by having the unprotected pass-thru openings.

I have inspected the same type of construction and allowed the use of regular gypsum board at the ceiling and walls except at the pass thru window areas where water or excessive moisture can form around the openings and drip down the wall. At these locations I had them use greenboard. Part of my reasoning was to avoid mold forming and future abatement and health issues. Mold is a big issue.

Name: jdjd
Date: 29 Dec 2009
Time: 13:01:53

QuestionorComment

question is regarding use of gypsum board at exterior areas if a room is enclosed with a water tight roof and walls on all sides but has permanently open window style pass throughs on three sides open to the exterior Is it acceptable to use standard type x gypsum board on the ceiling or is exterior soffit board required thank you

Not a DSA question but someone else can answer...?

Name: Inspector Jim
Date: 26 Dec 2009
Time: 07:22:14

QuestionorComment

I know tests are different in California but does anyone have experience with the ICC Commercial electrical test is there a good study guide that is available

An intermediate landing must be provided for every 12' of vertical rise and at each floor level. The number of treads would be based on the riser heights (4" to 7"), the vertical height of the landing(s) and the distance between floors.

Name: KENNEDY
Date: 22 Dec 2009
Time: 16:17:18

QuestionorComment

WHAT IS MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TREADS ALLOWED IN A SINGLE RUN OF A STAIR

This is a deep question. Regarding change orders; leading up to the issuance of a change order there are a series of documents that may be issued including a Field Order, a Change Order Proposal or a Field Directive for T&M. If any of these items represent a change to structural, seismic bracing, HC access, or fire-life-safety details on the approved plans, I notify the architect that an FCD needs to be issued and approved by DSA. I keep a log of all these changes and their status and keep pressure on the architect to get all FCDs submitted to DSA. If any changes are made prior to DSA approval; I notify the contractor that he is proceeding at his own risk. In some cases a Notice of Non-Compliance will need to be issued for critical changes that have not been approved through the FCD process. When an FCD is approved I remove the Non-Compliance. Districts sometimes ask me to sign change orders, but most of the time they do not.

In a nutshell: a change order can have several different changes combined into one change order. You have no control over this. Any of these changes that represent changes to critical elements/details of the project (e.g. structural or FLS detail changes) must be approved by DSA. You can't approve any change until DSA approves it. Eventually all these changes will end up on change orders and get submitted to DSA but it's difficult for the inspector to monitor this final process and it takes forever. Submitting an FCD to DSA for important changes, if done quickly by the AOR, will get you the approval you need to proceed with changes.

Look at Title 24 Administrative Code for more information on your responsibilities.

As for the interview process: Look at DSA 5 form. The Owner/District, the AOR, the SE and DSA must approve you for the project. Anyone of these professionals, or all of them, may select to interview you.

Name: jason m
Date: 15 Dec 2009
Time: 12:48:35

QuestionorComment

i was once asked by an arch what was the ior role when it comes to change orders what is your answer also why is an arch performing the interview i know he must sign form five but isnt it the school districts decision on who gets the job

Cornerstone, Irvine, CA 714 731 7700

Name: Inspector Joe M
Date: 08 Dec 2009
Time: 15:56:06

QuestionorComment

Can you tell me where to get Professional Liability Insurance

I always sample 3 bolt assemblies (bolt, nut and washer) for each high strength bolt diameter and lot number. There has been falsified documentation and substandard bolts dumped into the market place in the past. It gives me piece of mind and we are allowed to do additional testing as required. Mill certifications are a must for means of verification of previous testing and probably satisfies the code requirements; if you can match lot numbers to the unopened containers delivered to your site. The bolts should have proper markers and threads excluded or included in the shear plane as required. I always attach a copy of the mill certs to the bolts assemblies that I send to the lab. I ask for verification to the ASTM standard (e.g. A325). The "Specification for Structural Joints Using ASTM A325 or A490 Bolts" chapter found in the AISC (renamed ASD) Manual of Steel Construction covers specific requirements for high strength bolts. I leant my copy out last week and can't give you a exact answer with regard to code. Title 24 recognizes the AISC as a standard reference.

Name: Inspector dave
Date: 08 Dec 2009
Time: 12:43:57

QuestionorComment

We have performed a skidmore test in the field on A325 high strength bolts does DSA additionally require the bolts be sent to the Lab for testing

Name: Inspector George
Date: 07 Dec 2009
Time: 13:23:20

QuestionorComment

There are several different types of building arrangements referred to in the code as DWELLINGS and I am not aware of any CA Electrical Code requirements for smoke detectors You may want to check the CA Fire Code Section 907 FIRE ALARM AND DETECTION SYSTEMS that may give you what you are looking for

Name: its me
Date: 05 Dec 2009
Time: 22:13:32

QuestionorComment

what is the article number in 2008 national electrical code that states the requirements for installing smoke detectors in dwelling

DSA field engineers have always told me to provide sway bracing at pendant lights if the fixtures can make contact with each other, adjacent walls, duct, conduit or anything within a 45 degree swing. California Department of General Services . Division of the State Architect . Interpretation of Regulations Document PENDANT MOUNTEDLIGHT FIXTURES IR 16-9
References: California Building Code, Part 2, Section 1614A1.12. ASCE 7 Sections 13.6.1 and 13.2.3

Purpose: The purpose of this Interpretation of Regulations (IR) is to set forth an acceptable method for support of pendant mounted light fixtures. General: Pendant mounted light fixtures that are free to swing in the lateral direction shall be detailed and installed so that they can swing at least 45 degrees from the vertical in any direction without contacting an obstruction. Adjacent fixtures shall be separated by a distance equal to at least one and one half times the length of the pendant.
Exception: When it can be demonstrated by rational analysis that

Name: Howard Roarke
Date: 24 Nov 2009
Time: 16:43:26

QuestionorComment

Do you know offhand when it is required to put sway bracing on pendant lights I have been told that a pendant can sway up to 45 degrees but cant find the actual code section

Please read similar posts and answers below. Also, this isn't the best of times to be considering becoming a DSA inspector. Ask anyone working within the LAUSD system about the email notifications that went out this week. Contract DSA inspectors are in for a rough period....there is work, but there will soon be more people looking for work than actual getting the work. I hope I'm wrong, but the writing is on the wall.

Name: pkdinspector
Date: 18 Nov 2009
Time: 10:51:35

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question what is the best on line preparation coarse for dsa exam Question do you know anyone seeking a level three inspector with extensive experience

Name: Inspector Jay
Date: 09 Nov 2009
Time: 11:46:22

Anyone that can answer this question?

QuestionorComment

I was wondering if there is a study guide exam prep out there for the new 2007 CBC based DSA Masonry Exam

Name: mary
Date: 30 Oct 2009
Time: 23:48:54

If you look through the resource and reference information provided on this web site you will find a great deal of information about DSA Inspection. The bottom line is that certification requires a background in construction and/or inspection. The required education is time spent in the field as a contractor, tradesman, superintendent, or inspector and the type of construction the candidate was involved in. You can also click on links on the main page of this web site to get to the DSA web site where all the requirements are posted.

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Hi Bob This is a silly question im sure but hopefully you can help My son told me he was interested in becoming a dsa inspector I have been searching the internet without any luck can you tell me exactly what an inspector is and what kind of education he needs Thank you Mary

I personally don't know if this is a code issue but I do know that sometime back DSA field engineers started asking me not to use toggles at partitions, etc. I don't consider toggles "positive attachment". Certainly toggles in drywall or a hollow plaster wall is NOT positive attachment. I'll check further on code language.

Name: inspector harry
Date: 23 Oct 2009
Time: 16:52:01

QuestionorComment

Is toggle bolt for hollow masonry or hollow plaster wall installation of surface mounted electrical junction boxes permitted by CEC and or NEC

Call Lisa Greenberg at (714) 731 7700 and inquire about insurances for consulting engineers and sole proprietors

Name: Bob5
Date: 19 Oct 2009
Time: 17:06:54

QuestionorComment

where do you buy your workman comp from

This isn't really a construction related question. If the hand that feeds you is asking for WC then my recommendation is to get it. It's around 210.00/year. I have it and have no employees but it is required by the people who pay me.

Name: Bob5
Date: 19 Oct 2009
Time: 14:39:19

QuestionorComment

Is a DSA inspector with no other employees as an independent contractor required to obtain Workers comp insurance

See below.

Name: ceasar
Date: 11 Oct 2009
Time: 05:11:57

QuestionorComment

the light gauge metal stud walls have r thirteen insulation and five eighths drywall both sides

Ceasar...we are inspectors not engineers. All the detailing should either be on the approved plans or on an engineer submitted and approved FCD. You job as an inspector is to follow the approved details. Don't get into the trap of designing or re-designing or telling the contractor how to build something. Free-standing walls definitely need bracing, openings typically require dbl king studs, header sizing and boxing is dependent on the width of the opening....again, all this should already be detailed.

Name: Ceaser
Date: 11 Oct 2009
Time: 05:09:07

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to framing interior light gauge metal non load bearing non shear partitions from floor to under side of drop ceiling twenty five gauge x two and one half x nine feet eight inches high do you need eighteen ga double studs at king post on door or boxed header above doors three feet wide and continuous bridging two roles one at four ft and eight feet and x brace on wall longer than twenty five feet with bracing above walls in attic space thirty two inches on center

Name: Inspector Brent
Date: 10 Oct 2009
Time: 06:28:20

QuestionorComment

Table 2508 1 calls for gypsum installation per GA 216 which allows up to quarter inch gap at joints 2508 3 seems to call for moderate contact between boards Are these two in conflict

California Public Schools Directory Information item #9770 Excel format: California Department of Education, 1430 N St, Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 319-0881. I bought mine in 1997 so the contact info may have changed.

Name: Inspector S
Date: 03 Oct 2009
Time: 08:23:08

QuestionorComment

I just discovered your web site Is there any type of listing of PMs and School Districts that pay 90-120 day lately some current PM firms think they can control everything the IOR and special inspectors do and or bill time for This type of info should be made available to every inspector before he enters into a contract

Thanks Eric. Someone else may want to answer your question. I'm trying to stay focused on DSA related questions due to my schedule.

Name: Eric
Date: 02 Oct 2009
Time: 11:07:20

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Am an electrical inspector with a jurisdiction Would like to be ICC Certified could you please direct me to someone in my area that could provide training for ICC Certificate Im located in Buena Park CA Your website is very informative and we all appreciate the information that you provide

Name: Inspector Kim
Date: 30 Sep 2009
Time: 08:46:39

QuestionorComment

does anyone know which school districts in so cal hire inspectors directly without a broker

The standard heights of water closets and urinals is typically detailed on your DSA approved plans by the AOR. This standard height may be the same or different than the ADA accessible fixture heights. I don't believe it is a code issue as much as a design and end-user issue. In elementary schools, lower heights can be utilized when approved.

Name: Inspector Cheryl
Date: 29 Sep 2009
Time: 15:09:25

QuestionorComment

what is the height requirement of a non-accessible water closet - thank you

Name: Inspector George
Date: 28 Sep 2009
Time: 15:03:01

QuestionorComment

RE fire service riser clearances - try Title 19 - I do not have that here but CFC and NFPA 13 did not have anything specific with regard to clearances within riser rooms

I couldn't find anything in NFPA 14. From a practical standpoint, all valves should be operable without encountering any obstacles. Replacement of components should be able to occur without any restrictions. If there are tamper switches that need to be wired, clearances would be necessary for access to connect wiring.

Name: Inspector-D
Date: 28 Sep 2009
Time: 13:39:41

QuestionorComment

Would you tell me what are the clearance requirements are around a fire riser within a room and would that be from the valve handles or center line of riser pipe Been looking for two hours can not find it thanks

The only requirement I've seen for securing conduit at couplings was in my contract specification, not in the code.

Name: sparky
Date: 28 Sep 2009
Time: 10:52:44

QuestionorComment

code sez support elec conduit three feet frm boxes switches and ends of conduit Do you consider a coupling between two sticks of conduit an end of conduit should they support three feet from couplings as well.

You could try contacting a braille sign manufacturer and ask them...they may know.

http://www.signdesignassoc.com/braille.shtml

Name: Signmaker Mark
Date: 23 Sep 2009
Time: 14:15:33

QuestionorComment

I am looking to buy California Type II Braille inspection tool to check and make sure our braille is correct Do you have any idea where I might find such a thing

Name: Inspector George
Date: 23 Sep 2009
Time: 13:23:36

QuestionorComment

Bob - thanks for the research on the 18 inch at WC question I appreciate it - So what I understand is that it is EXACTLY 18 inches - no more no less

Name: Inspector George
Date: 23 Sep 2009
Time: 13:16:25

QuestionorComment

A vented Running Trap is allowed only in specific uses and conditions What did you have in mind

Name: inspector j
Date: 22 Sep 2009
Time: 13:20:55

QuestionorComment

Is a running trap allowed by the 2007 CPC

Name: Inspector George
Date: 22 Sep 2009
Time: 12:38:05

QuestionorComment

Finally - 1133B-4-1 says - Required handrails - Stairways shall have handrails on each side and every stairway required to be more than 88 inches in width shall be provided with not less than one intermediate handrail for each 88 inches of required width - It does not list any exceptions that I can see

Name: Inspector George
Date: 22 Sep 2009
Time: 12:20:31

QuestionorComment

HOWEVER - DSA-AC - In addition to the requirements of this section means of egress which provide access to or egress from buildings or facilities where accessibility is required for applications listed in Section 109-1 regulated by the Division of the State Architect - Access Compliance shall also comply with Chapter 11A or Chapter 11B Section 1133B-4-1

Name: Inspector George
Date: 22 Sep 2009
Time: 12:19:40

QuestionorComment

RE HANDRAILS - Exceptions Continued 5 - Changes in room elevations of only one riser within dwelling units and sleeping units in Group R-2 occupancies do not require handrails

Name: Inspector George
Date: 22 Sep 2009
Time: 12:17:34

QuestionorComment

RE HANDRAILS - CH 10 Means of Egress 1009-10 says handrails are required but as often the case there are EXCEPTIONS 3 - Decks patios and walkways that have a single change in elevation where the landing depth on each side of the change of elevation is greater than what is required for a landing do not require handrails 4 - In Group R-3 occupancies HCD 1 and SFM a continuous run of treads or flight of stairs with fewer than four risers does not require handrails

Name: Inspector John
Date: 21 Sep 2009
Time: 17:33:33

QuestionorComment

Inspector Joe The ninety minute rule still applies to the ASTM standards Look at Five point Eight point Two in your ACI 318 Inspector John PS Sorry the program doesn't like numbers

Name: Inspector George
Date: 18 Sep 2009
Time: 16:16:06

QuestionorComment

Inspector Joe Ch 10 says for DSA-AC applications listed in Section 109-1 regulated by the Division of the State Architect Access Compliance see Chapter 11B Section 1133B-4-1

The structural engineer or AOR prepares and distributes the Structural Tests and Inspections sheet to the AOR, IOR. District and DSA. It becomes part of the DSA submitted documents. It is reviewed and approved by DSA. Any changes made must also be approved by DSA. I don't know if they actually stamp the sheet or not. Sometimes it is submitted within the contract specification which IS stamped by DSA. Inspectors are advised to look for additional testing indicated on plans and in the specification that is not indicated on the T&I sheet.

I need someone else to answer the handrail question...I'm still working off the old code.

Name: santos
Date: 18 Sep 2009
Time: 12:10:54

QuestionorComment

Are the ADA requirements for handrails needed at all steps or only steps in path of travel also does dsa stamp or sign the T and I sheet

Name: inspector joe
Date: 18 Sep 2009
Time: 07:38:37

QuestionorComment

My understanding the 2007 CBC requires handrails at any riser now i believe it is addressed in chapter 10 Do you know what section references this new requirement

The 90 minute rule is in C94 but the limitation can be waived by the purchaser if the slump is such that it can be placed without adding water. The 90 degree rule only applies to concrete mixed with warm water in cold climates.

Name: inspector joe
Date: 18 Sep 2009
Time: 07:34:14

QuestionorComment

The 2007 CBC references the ACI 318-08 for concrete placement my question is does the 90 minute 90 degree rule still apply and if so what section can i find this reference or is this still an ASTM standard

I met with a certified ADA inspector who told me they are petitioning to have tolerances put into the access compliance code. He told me that right now there is no tolerance; not even a 1/16". He should know, having represented LAUSD in a huge compliance lawsuit.

Name: Inspector George
Date: 17 Sep 2009
Time: 22:07:25

QuestionorComment

Inspectors have often discussed the 18 inch from sidewall requirement for accessible water closet without knowing what the MAX distance can be Obviously there is a distance that is too great to reach the grab bar but is 19 inches OK Who has a definitive answer from the Code or DSA

I believe that the soils testing and evaluation requirements are mandated in the text of the engineer approved soils report that would be part of the DSA approved project specifications, submitted to DSA with the plans. This would cover site soils and may or may not cover import soils with regard to toxicity. I would contact your soils engineer and propose the question in writing. If no records of the import soil exist it would seem logical to do chemical analysis to avoid importing toxic soils. Chapter 16 of Title 24 (older addition) discusses seismic/strength concerns. You should also consult with the school representatives and ask if they want to pay for chemical analysis. Record their response in writing.

Name: Inspector bob
Date: 15 Sep 2009
Time: 14:02:42

QuestionorComment

Does DSA require chemical analysis of imported soils

I've answered this question several times (below)...it's a popular question. Unfortunately I don't know of any classes. I'm a firm believer in self study combined with extensive field experience.

Name: Brian McCormick
Date: 09 Sep 2009
Time: 20:14:48

QuestionorComment

Do you know of any study course for the DSA inspector program other than the inspector academy I am taking my test on September for the third time

Try Section 2203A - Material Identification in Title 24 (also 2203 in the UBC) for ID transfer on steel greater than 36,000 psi.

Name: CWI on DSA job
Date: 08 Sep 2009
Time: 15:35:13

QuestionorComment

I swear I have read it before but cant find it now which dsa IR specifies that a steel fabricator must transfer heat numbers to high strength steel pieces that have been cut.

Anybody can be sued for anything. Always have documentation to substantiate everything you do.

Name: insp. robby
Date: 28 Aug 2009
Time: 08:40:54

QuestionorComment

Can an IOR be sued for negligence or malpractice Ex influencing structural engineer and having deputies change their reports to include their input

ADA 4.29.2 and 1127B.5.8 says "Detectable warnings shall consist of raised truncated domes...". The truncated domes are the detectable warning and must extend the full width and depth of the curb ramp inside the grooved border when the slope is less than 6.7%. The grooved border is required at all curb ramps. I consider the detectable warning and the grooved border two separate requirements...am I wrong here? My answer to your question would be 3'. Anyone else?

Name: Ventura County Inspector
Date: 08 Aug 2009
Time: 12:39:56

QuestionorComment

This sidewalk ramp has a 12 inch wide border of grooves of proper depth and width and a three foot strip of truncated domes Is this considered three feet of detectable warning or four foot of detectable warning

Pay is always negotiable and it depends on how much school work there is and where the work occurs. As a class II in Los Angeles you can make more than a CWI working prevailing wage. This may NOT be the case in OC. A Class III may not be able to command the same amount as a Class II.

Your work and communication skills may also effect the fees you can expect. If someone uses you on a school project and really wants to keep you around you may be able to negotiate a pay increase over a period of time.

I have been working within L.A. County for several years. I know that if I went to L.A. City my pay could go up $10/hr. I know that if I went back into LBUSD my pay would drop. In any case, the $$ should equal or surpass CWI prevailing wage. As a Class I my pay most certainly exceeds prevailing wage but my level of responsibility is increased proportionally.

Name: SoCal Todd
Date: 06 Aug 2009
Time: 19:48:15

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I have been accepted to take the class III exam in September but I need to send in a little more on my experience record to try to get approved for the class II exam Now to my question I am an independent CWI working for prevailing wage on mainly DSA and OSHPD projects in the LA and OC area As a class II or III can I expect to take a pay cut Thanks

Read, read and read. Purchase every code book and standard. Read more. Separate and learn to locate those portions of the code that address day-to-day concerns. Get your hands on full sets of plans and study every page until you can figure out what everything means. There are books on "blue-print" reading for electrical and HVAC. Most of all, assuming you already work in construction, look around and figure our everything that is going on.

I don't doubt that many people fail the exams. Some people just don't do well taking tests or thinking under pressure. Some people are simply not prepared. Some people do not have the necessary field experience to back up their book knowledge. You've got to live and breath this stuff; working it during the day and self-studying the codes during the night. A class cannot do that for you.

Name: Inspector Al
Date: 06 Aug 2009
Time: 14:35:23

QuestionorComment

Can you suggest a good preparation class I could go to in order to be able to understand and answer the questions correctly on the DSA exam I tried the DSA overview class put on by the academy but it did not do much good Only 18 percent of the people who took the two day class passed the real exam Thank you

Name: inspector dude
Date: 05 Aug 2009
Time: 12:26:10

QuestionorComment

smoke detectors require three foot separation from supply and return air registers generally speaking

I will look into your question ( I don't know of a specific code issue here) but my field experience indicates this: Before you can apply fireproofing to galvanized deck or conduit you will need to apply a spatter coat for proper adhesion. If the conduit was run prior to fireproofing the fireproofing may be applied with added thickness to absorb the extra conduit material. If the conduit was added after fireproofing the issue may be removal of fireproofing which would require rework to add additional fireproofing. I don't believe there is any electrical code issue assuming your conduit supports were verified prior to fireproofing. Your fireproofing special inspector may also assist you in answering your question from a fireproofing perspective.

Whenever an installer supports conduits directly to fireproofed beams or decks, I always have the areas re-fireproofed where the fireproofing was removed.

Name: Project Engineer Sally
Date: 30 Jul 2009
Time: 14:45:37

QuestionorComment

what does the California building code state regarding electrical conduit at cementitious fireproofing We have electrical conduit against a metal deck with fireproofing over it Does this violate code

Name: InspectorGeorge
Date: 28 Jul 2009
Time: 22:12:29

QuestionorComment

Good questions Door Man Chapter 11 says The bottom 10 inches of all doors shall have a smooth uninterrupted surface to allow the door to be opened by a wheelchair footrest without creating a trap or hazardous condition The idea to me is that the bottom rail extends upward from the floor a minimum of 10 inches

Name: Door Man
Date: 28 Jul 2009
Time: 17:37:36

QuestionorComment

1132A 9 smooth surface bottom 10 inches of door the door was originally 6 foot 8 with 10 inches of bottom rail it was cut in the field for floor conditions of 1 inch it is now a 9 inch bottom rail measuring 9 and one half inches off the finish floor will the inspector allow this

I'm not exactly sure what your question is...the way I look at it all HVAC curbs require review, approval, and inspection during installation to make sure they are properly attached. An engineer must provide calculations indicating that the curbs can support the intended loads. An engineer must also determine that the roof system can support the loads. The curb type must be submitted and approved by the architect and consultants. The entire assembly (roof system, curbs, attachment, roofing, and HVAC unit mount/anchorage) will typically be DSA approved prior to installation. The curb (whether self-leveling or framed) is only one element of the assembly.

Name: Project Manager Nancy
Date: 24 Jul 2009
Time: 11:41:25

QuestionorComment

Do you self leveling HVAC Roof curbs on an LAUSD project or DSA project have to be DSA or OSHPD approved

This is a non-structural component. Check your contract specifications. You may select to have a CWI inspect the duct welding or to inspect the welding yourself. The bottom line for me is to have the duct sealed and tested for leaks by professionals prior to being concealed or put into use. AWS does have a code (AWSD1.6) for welding of stainless steel.

Name: inspectordude
Date: 22 Jul 2009
Time: 21:45:16

QuestionorComment

there is welding on HVAC stainless steel duct installation is inspection required by cwi inspector

Chapter 1924A-Shotcrete. ACI 506 (ACI 506R-05)

Name: vginspector@yahoo.com
Date: 20 Jul 2009
Time: 09:21:33

QuestionorComment

I would like to find out required info about DSA Shotcrete application books needed etc Thank you Vince

Good call George! Chapter 23 is for wood framing and prevention of wood rot/termites and calls for 6" curb at building exterior and at bathrooms with more than two fixtures. I'm so used to framing with metal studs...

Name: Inspector George
Date: 09 Jul 2009
Time: 06:22:31

QuestionorComment

OK it is now in 2304 point eleven

Name: Inspector George
Date: 09 Jul 2009
Time: 06:16:07

QuestionorComment

A previous question by Inspector D asked where in the code book is the 6 inch curb required in a bathroom Since a lot of the A chapters have disappeared from the 2007 CBC I cannot verify that it is in there now However in the prior versions of the CBC it would be found in 2306A

I apologize...but I don't understand your question. I typically verify type, location, and proper operation, addressing and annunciation for each and every device installed. I do this as a "witness". I also verify unit shut-down as applicable. This would involve both the HVAC sub and the FA sub to test the system in my presence.

Name: coworker
Date: 06 Jul 2009
Time: 10:58:28

QuestionorComment

How far can a HVAC technician proceed when it comes to smoke detector problems and it is interfaced with an alarm company

Title 24, 2107 A.2.2.5 (Hooks) "Inside diameter bend of the bars, other than for stirrups and ties, shall not be less than that set forth in Table 21A-G." The Table's minimum radius is based on bar diameter.

ACI 315-99 indicates fabrication tolerances.... but your drawings and/or the SE must approve use of these tolerances and they cannot be less than shown in the Code.

Name: Inspector Tim
Date: 30 Jun 2009
Time: 13:15:43

QuestionorComment

DSA masonry project with corner bars and typical hooks bent to 5 db 60 grade Code calls for minimum 6db Contractor claims there are tolerances on the diameter of the bend Cannot find this tolerance in the code Does it exist

http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/FDD/Forms/FLSO2007FireSprinklerApproval.pdf

Name: Samson1
Date: 30 Jun 2009
Time: 11:17:17

QuestionorComment

This is an OSHPD question I need a form letter for local fire department approval can not seem to find one need help the form we used is a DSA block OSHPD rejected this wants a form letter Help

Your plan notes and/or project specification should be reviewed for specific inspection information and inspection requirements. You are not constructing a building with the pipe and the pipe will be pressure tested for leaks when completed. Theoretically, all materials including consumables would be verified, welding procedures and personnel approved/certified, fit-up at the root verified and NDT testing performed as may be required during or after completion of welding. This would not necessarily be "constant" inspection. Pressure piping codes like ANSI B31.3 may be referenced in your spec. B31.3: Rules for piping typically found in petroleum refineries; chemical, pharmaceutical, textile, paper, semiconductor, and cryogenic plants; and related processing plants and terminals. This code prescribes requirements for materials and components, design, fabrication, assembly, erection, examination, inspection, and testing of piping. This Code applies to piping for all fluids including: (1) raw, intermediate, and finished chemicals; (2) petroleum products; (3) gas, steam, air and water; (4) fluidized solids; (5) refrigerants; and (6) cryogenic fluids. Also included is piping which interconnects pieces or stages within a packaged equipment assembly.

Name: inspector dude
Date: 29 Jun 2009
Time: 11:14:24

QuestionorComment

Dealing with hydronic pipes that require full pen welds does this not require constant inspection

You can reject the installation if it goes against your specification or notes on your approved plans. Title 24 states that "wet" masonry units shall not laid. If the lab determined the units to be wet when they were tagged then you can site the contractor for a code violation. All that being said, if you are doing masonry prism testing and/or additional core testing where the units were installed, you may select to present successful test information to the engineer as a way to override the initial rejection. I can't find a 28 day requirement noted in ASTM C140 or the code (?).

Name: Inspector Jack
Date: 26 Jun 2009
Time: 22:27:20

QuestionorComment

I am on a DSA masonry project where the CMUs pallets have been tagged at the plant by the lab who were told they were just made wait 28 days to test The contractor delivered them to the jobsite and placed them before any testing was complete All other CMUs tested earlier have passed It is against the specs which require 28 days cure time and the codes which require compliance with astm 90 140 before installation How do we handle this one

Request that the AOR submit an FCD to DSA for the detail change. Submit a written document to all parties indicating that the change will not be approved by the Project Inspector unless it is approved by DSA as a field change.

Name: Inspector Dick
Date: 24 Jun 2009
Time: 12:03:03

QuestionorComment

I have pendant lights on the project DSA appvd details show supporting pendant fixture from structure above with wires into metal decking without concrete fill The AOR approved omitting the wires to structure above in an RFI from contractor stating a 150 lb man can hang from this light fixture box screwed into a hat channel type suspended ceiling I do not feel comfortable with the AOR approval I know I can talk to my DSA Field Engineer and can request an FCD See CBC sec 2501A

Monolithic (in my book) means without a cold joint. Sounds like you need approval for a cold joint since you cannot consolidate the two separate pours.

Name: inspector-D
Date: 24 Jun 2009
Time: 07:30:09

QuestionorComment

Sub wants to poor a depressed slab and curb Monolithic by having stakes embeded within the slab area to support the 6 inch curb form board then remove the stakes while the concrete curb is wet but can support its self and then poor the slab 60 mins latter Is this OK or not Thank you

I've never found it. It's usually detailed on the plans as a good practice to prevent flooding from migrating under the walls into adjacent rooms. My current project does not have curbs at the bathroom walls. Waterproofing continues up the wall at the floor prior to tile. Inspector George (above): 2304 point eleven. This covers wood framing on curbs at bathrooms with more than two fixtures.

Name: Inspector-D
Date: 23 Jun 2009
Time: 13:04:10

QuestionorComment

Where in the code book is the 6 inch curb required in a bathroom I have looked and can not find it I am now thinking after all these years I have assumed it was code Please Help

If you are working under a DSA permit number and you are completing the project you must close the project out with the proper forms indicating completion of footings, supports, etc.

Name: Thomas
Date: 22 Jun 2009
Time: 18:55:19

QuestionorComment

Do I required to fill up a form for DSA closeout after complete a school shade structure project

Section 2337A. "All" structural glue lam timber shall be continuously inspected

Name: Inspector Kim
Date: 22 Jun 2009
Time: 11:49:11

QuestionorComment

Is there a minimum size for a Glue Lam Beam to have to be inspected during fabrication

http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dsa/inspect/inspector-package2009_rev4-24-09.pdf

What you may bring
A simple calculator (non-printing, self-contained, silent. Palm top computers are not allowed)
The 2007 version of Title 24, Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9 and 12
West Coast Lumber Inspection Bureau (WCLIB) Lumber Grading Rules
American Welding Society (AWS) D1.1, Structural Welding Code
American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), Steel Construction Manual
ASTM reports for common construction materials and practices
National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 13, 14, 17, 17-A, 24 and 72
All other reference books that you would bring to the jobsite to perform inspections on a project. All commercially published, bound reference books are permitted. Please be aware that you may not have time to look up every question.

Name: Jeff
Date: 09 Jun 2009
Time: 14:22:14

QuestionorComment

Hi I am scheduled to take my Class 3 exam in December 09 Which books do I need to cover the Class 3 exam

Chapter 17A (I'm working with the older code) requires inspection of all welding designed to resist forces described in the CBC. The requirement may shift from constant to continuous inspection (or continuous to periodic per ICC) for welding of metal deck, shear studs, sheet metal, stairs and railings. Remember, we inspect welding of metal studs with fillet welds as small as 1/16 or 1/8". In any case, they still require some level of inspection. The weld size at which the amount of inspection changes to periodic (per ICC) is <5/16" for fillet welds.

Name: Captain Peacock
Date: 01 Jun 2009
Time: 10:11:22

QuestionorComment

What is the minimum size of a fillet weld that does not have to be inspected This question was on the March DSA test I might have worded it wrong but you get the idea I hope

I've installed wood framed curbs, anchored timber curbs, pre-fabricated curbs, framed steel curbs and concrete curbs. In each case a detail was provided on the approved DSA drawings. If your drawings indicate welded curbs then I'm assuming they're made out of steel or heavy gauge sheet metal (?).

As far as welding inspection goes, if something is being welded in the field that supports something else, like an AC unit, it should be inspected...is that what you're asking? Pre-fabricated curbs are shop fabricated. You can arrange for shop inspection to review weld procedures, welder certs and welding materials at the start up of fabrication. You can have this information forwarded to your site and provide field inspection if the welds are single pass fillet welds.

Name: Inspector Mike
Date: 26 May 2009
Time: 17:00:59

QuestionorComment

Are Mechanical Roof Curbs for Air Conditioning Units required to be welded for approval by DSA

CBC Chapter 7 Fire Resistant Materials and Construction. Look through tables in the chapter. You will also need to look at your approved drawings and specs to see if specific UL approved designs are required. The CBC provides minimum requirements; your drawings may describe specific details for different conditions. Much greater detail will be provided on your plans. if your spec calls out a specific UL number then research and locate that UL approval. Better yet, have the contractor provide it for you.

PS I'm still working off the older code.

Name: thompson
Date: 26 May 2009
Time: 12:25:18

QuestionorComment

Need to know where to find description 1 hour fire wall

I know the section/footnote you're talking about; unfortunately I'm still working off the old code until early next year. Maybe someone else can locate the reference you're speaking of (allows omission of certain seismic restraint when specific conditions are met).

Name: Inspector Gadget
Date: 18 May 2009
Time: 12:48:30

QuestionorComment

Where in the 2007 CBC Part 2 Volume 2 do they make reference to seismic restraint omissions as in the 2001 CBC Part 2 Volume 2 1632A6 and Table 16AO Footnote 12 It seems they added a chapter between Chapter 16 and 17 called Chapter 13 Seismic Design Requirement for Nonstructural Components but I can only seem to locate a few things that I noted

Check the Client Bulleting Board on this site. Call those looking for Class 3 and find out.

Name: Laurbran
Date: 14 May 2009
Time: 06:54:54

QuestionorComment

I am going to be testing for a class 3 certificate What does the job market look like Has the market become to saturated

CBC 2205A.11 "The protrusion of the threaded ends through the connected material shall be sufficient to fully engage the threads of the nuts, but shall not be greater than the length of threads on the bolts." I looked in the ASD and could not find anything (?).

I always look for full engagement plus a minimum of one thread. This would solve water ponding/oxidation issues where the assembly is exposed to the atmosphere.

Name: Inspector Gadget
Date: 13 May 2009
Time: 16:09:18

QuestionorComment

What is the minimum projection on a anchor bolt beyond the nut when exposed

I'll let someone else tackle this question. I'm still working with the older codes and do not have a CBC table 601 nor can I find reference to "type 1A, 1B. etc" in my Chapter 6. ??

Name: new ior in town
Date: 09 May 2009
Time: 19:45:14

QuestionorComment

2007 cbc table 601 fire resistance rating requirements for building elements what is the difference between type I A type I B etc

I believe that DSA is currently scanning drawings. I would imagine that a fee could be paid to acquire copies of approved scanned plans. Getting reproductions of older plans may prove to be more difficult. This is something you'll have to ask plan-check at DSA.

Name: Joe PUblic
Date: 05 May 2009
Time: 11:19:50

QuestionorComment

Hi there How does one get copies of older project plans from the DSA

I always bid based on 40 hours inspection due to the size of the Class I projects I'm on. Yes, I think it would be fair to assume 40 hours per week on a new framed building. You'll have soils work, grading, footings, bottom plates, anchors, hold downs, framing, straps, glazing, etc. However, if you are already on a project that is on the same campus or very close to the new project you may be able to bid the job on the basis of 20 or 30 hours per week. The AOR does not typically get involved in dictating inspection hours. You need to be on site a sufficient amount of time to A) keep the project moving and B) complete the required inspection and testing per code. In the past I have had up to 3 small projects going but they were all in the same district and I had the verbal OK from my DSA field engineer.

Name: Nor-Cal Jimmy
Date: 28 Apr 2009
Time: 21:54:11

QuestionorComment

Thanks in advance Bob If u were asked to propose on a typical 2K sq ft wood framed classroom without seeing plans would it be fair to assume that the project SHOULD require 40 hours per week What if a competitor proposed 20 hrs per week Are safeguards in place to prevent inadequate inspection due to competitive bidding The hours are on form 5 and DSA and AOR must approve it but SHOULD the AOR be the one to direct the district as to the number of hours required for adequate inspection

Hopefully you have field experience as a trades person or inspector...that's a must do. The next thing is to study a complete set of structural drawings and don't stop until you understand every single detail. Find a set of extra drawings from a complicated wood framed structure with footings, simple beam and column framing and roof and shear wall detailing. Make sure you fully understand every single anchorage, strap, connection detail. The ideal situation is to be in the field comparing structural drawings to actual field construction which, again, goes back to construction experience.

Name: wannabee
Date: 28 Apr 2009
Time: 10:57:47

QuestionorComment

I have taken the class 2 exam and passed the code section on the first try I failed the MEPs twice and most recently passed the MEP but failed the Structural So now Im on my 4th try Ive gone through an online service for training and have had a class1 inspector help me study Any suggestions Also do you have any information on the demand for a Relocatable Inspector I may take that exam as well if there is a need for those services Thank you

Name: Inspector Sean
Date: 28 Apr 2009
Time: 09:07:02

QuestionorComment

Is their anyone providing DSA CLASS III TEST Preparation classes ?

Thanks...

Name: "Inspector Steve"
Date: 22 Apr 2009
Time: 11:04:01

QuestionorComment

Inspector Bob Just found your website Well done Wanted to say thank you for your friendly and experienced advice Inspector Steve

I used to see this happen when there was a manpower shortage. The engineer submits the DSA 5 form and DSA approves it after checking that the inspector classification is appropriate for the project. The project classification is noted during plan review, should be on the plans, and is also available on the DSA web site. I don't understand how a class 3 could legally inspect a class 2 project (?).

Name: sergio
Date: 14 Apr 2009
Time: 10:02:36

QuestionorComment

I heard of it but just now came across an inspector class 3 approved for a class 2 job Is it common for a field engineer to approve an inspctr for a job that is 1 class or even 2 above his cert level is the decision based on maybe individual experience on bigger jobs

Check out this link http://ci.santa-rosa.ca.us/doclib/Documents/CDB_016_Susp_Clg_SC_1_2.pdf . I'm still using the older code but the changes I see are the perimeter angle must have a 2" minimum leg and the 3 turns for hanger wires must occur within 3" instead of 1 1/2....anyone else?

Name: tbar kyle
Date: 08 Apr 2009
Time: 12:16:52

QuestionorComment

what is the difference between 2001 ca building code and the 2007 regarding suspended ceiling wire attachment

Go to: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlsr/pwd/Determinations/Southern/SC-023-63-2(D).pdf .

Name: Inspector Pete
Date: 30 Mar 2009
Time: 13:22:48

QuestionorComment

I work for an environmental consulting firm who needs to hire a DSA approved geotechnical laboratory The project is a CA school project The laboratory will be paid by us and not the school district Do we have to pay prevailing wage rates

Go to this link: http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov/OtherProg/flshome.htm . Check out IR A-21 that says the C-10 contractor shall supervise testing under the witness of the Project Inspector. One thing I do is to always ask the contractor to provide an inspection request covering specific buildings, areas, and floors to be inspected. As testing is completed I sign off the inspection requests and make notes on my plans. When all testing is complete I note the full extent of testing completed and give copy to all parties including the local fire department representative. NFPA 72 provides a fire alarm system record of completion. Read 4.5.2.4 in NFPA 72. They also provide an inspection and testing form (Chapter 10) that is primarily for maintenance inspections.

OSHPD has a series of checklist forms for fire life safety sign-off that you could use effectively.

Name: Tom1
Date: 26 Mar 2009
Time: 08:14:21

QuestionorComment

Bob What specific sort of report should I turn over to the Architect and District after a fire alarm system is tested and accepted I indicated testing and acceptance of the system in my daily and semi monthly reports but as we approach closeout the Architect requests a signed acceptance I have a printed log supplied by Simplex of all points tested Simplex also sends out their certification of the system What do you do Thanks for the help

I assume you are referring to FA monitoring of "flow". If you monitor flow at the street backflow you would be monitoring all water demand including domestic. Or am I missing something?

Name: Safe
Date: 24 Mar 2009
Time: 09:35:14

QuestionorComment

The fire and domestic water on my site are fed from the same source There is a backflow at the street about 300 yards from the building At the building the fire and domestic water split with a double check backflow on the fire water and a reduced pressure on the domestic The fire alarm plans only show the double check backflow being monitored Should the backflow at the street be monitored as well

See also below. You can only enforce those details and specifications that were approved by DSA. If they want to change something they can do it, but it must be done in writing and must be approved by the architect...and if the change is significant it must be approved by DSA. Again, the District and it's representatives can implement changes to the approved documents but they must follow procedure acceptable to the architect, engineer and DSA. You're position is to observe and report that the approved documents have been followed. Where is the architect in all this?

Name: Inspector - D
Date: 22 Mar 2009
Time: 11:06:38

QuestionorComment

Among many the lattest is CM supper directed underground contractor not to change a cast iron pipe used as a sleeve through a footing after I had directed change per plan and specs Specs call out galv steel pipe footing now poured and engineer will not sign off because cast iron is pritial and not designed to hold stress big problem CM supper is putting himself in thing that he should have no business in and the district backs the CMs I can not do my job at a loss and Dumbfounded What To Do

Yes. My DSA field engineers have always told me that the inspector is not to take direction or be influenced by the CM. I usually make this clear to the CM at the start of every job. You can make your point without being offensive. I've even had DSA come to the job site and speak to the CM about this matter.

Name: Inspector - D
Date: 22 Mar 2009
Time: 10:29:36

QuestionorComment

Would you agree on a multi prime project the working authority of a DSA project is as follows DSA Architect or Engineer IOR School District and last CM As you know the CM has no liability and is not held responsible but seems to think they can control and direct the IOR who is held responsible I am all for working with people and never had a problem in the pass doing so but this CM is out of control and the district backs the CM See Next Question 500 Limit

Name: out of work inspector
Date: 20 Mar 2009
Time: 14:36:43

QuestionorComment

were do you find a list of brokers for possible work if the prior inspector is not happy with his broker sit at home for four months like i have maybe he should rethink or forward the name of the broker

I understand what your getting at. I've had brokers/inspection services tell me they would submit for a cost of living increase every 12 months. If they got it, they said they would pass it on to me. I pushed for and received a small increase. It's possible that the "broker' got more than I was told. There was another time when I was told the district would not authorize any increase. I didn't dig deeper by questioning the district for three reasons: 1) I always try to ask for enough money per hour at the start of the job that if a small increase doesn't go through it's not the end of the world. 2) I try to work with people I know and trust. 3) Sometimes, when you try to get to the truth you end up without a job.

Again, if you make a decent deal going in, one that is not dependent on future increases that may or may not happen, you'll be much happier. Ask for an agreement up front to get a specific annual % increase from the person(s) hiring you.

Name: WONDERIN
Date: 19 Mar 2009
Time: 10:47:44

QuestionorComment

thx for not answrng the questn yes i needed to mk the deal and find wrk i was tld the pay wuld increas aftr a few mnths wen they wuld ask for more mony frm the distr the co secrty told the increase agrremnt was sent and apprvd but the ownr tells me no mbe your doin the same and dont want yur guys to see the answr

You make the deal going in. Who cares how much the "broker" is making. Next time, develop your negotiating skills, do research and negotiate a fee upfront that you think fits your abilities and knowledge. Hopefully it will be a fee you can be happy with and never mind what's going on at the other end. You can always try getting your own contract direct with the district.

Name: wonderin
Date: 16 Mar 2009
Time: 11:15:41

QuestionorComment

I know it is public record but is it legal or ethical to talk w somone at the school dist to find how much a company or broker is making off me im gettin a low pay and told its cuz of a low price from district but feel they are keepin more than what s fair WHO do i talk w at distric office facility dirctr or secrtry

Name: depinspt
Date: 16 Mar 2009
Time: 11:08:53

QuestionorComment

I am a class three PI working in OC I understand that there is no pay scale for DSA inspectors I also know that LAUSD has a graduated pay scale for their DSA inspectors depending on size and dollar amount of projects My question is are there any inspectors who can tell me what the going rates for a class three are around different districts and counties in So Cal Is forty five dollars an hr low or about par

There are links on this web site. Check it out.

Name: Brian
Date: 10 Mar 2009
Time: 10:45:07

QuestionorComment

I have took and failed the class 2 inspector test and am looking for some on line classes to study for the June test date do you have any info on classes

If you look closely through this web site you'll find pages of information on DSA inspection that should answer your question(s). Many of us started out as you have.

Name: do it right
Date: 05 Mar 2009
Time: 12:30:52

QuestionorComment

i have certifications through ICC for UBC CBC AND IBC for building inspector and plans examiner i have always found the testing to be simple how would you classify DSA testing in comparison to ICC what would be the best approach for entering the world of DSA inspections

See ASTM C 780. 24 +/-4hrs on site before being transported to lab. Then 20 to 24 hours in moist room prior to removing specimens from molds. UBC Standard 21-16 is referenced for State work. Does UBC 21-16 reference ASTM C 780? I thought it did.

Name: inspector Ron
Date: 05 Mar 2009
Time: 10:19:25

QuestionorComment

Inspector Bob My question is regarding the amount of time mortar test cups can be left on site before lab pick up CBC 2105A 3 4 2 states molds shall be protected and kept damp for 24 hrs then tested as required for concrete cylinders It also by reference includes UBC 21 16 which states to keep damp until taken to the laboratory after 48 hrs set remove mold and place in fog room until testing All the labs think 48 hrs on site is industry standard

Start with Title 24 Part 9, California Fire Code. Look in Article 10, section 1002, 1003, etc. Your approved plans (reviewed by the State Fire Marshall) should detail the information you need. Reference California ADA requirements as well.

Name: burn baby burn
Date: 26 Feb 2009
Time: 13:24:16

QuestionorComment

where would i find the location requirements by code for hand held or spray fire extinguishers in bldgs and classrooms

The District (school board) pays for the inspector. The architect, engineer and DSA approve the inspector. Interviews are usually conducted by the District or their rep (CM). A letter of recommendation from an architect can help you in the interview. Do not be discouraged by the fact that the District has inspector's that they use regularly. Ask the District for an interview. Perhaps their unhappy with one or two of the inspectors they use. You can not typically rely solely on your relationship with an architect to secure a position. Perhaps he can help you get an interview (?).

Name: inspector tim
Date: 25 Feb 2009
Time: 16:38:43

QuestionorComment

when it comes to hiring who has the most pull the architect or the school district i have an arch who wants to get me on a job but says the dist has its few favorite inspectors

On a GC project you have a single point-of-contact when issues come up with their sub-contractors. On a multi-prime job your only 'single-point' is the CM. The biggest problem on multi-prime projects is grey areas where the contract specification is not clear on whose responsibility the work is. Also, depending on the experience of the CM, there can be overlaps or gaps in the scheduling that puts trades at odds with each other.

For a project to go smoothly there has to be an overall vision and a realistic schedule. To me, this is best accomplished when one experienced entity is captain of the ship. On a multi-prime project each contractor captains their own ship. Bottom line; when coordination slips and schedules collide, things get missed making for a more intense inspection experience. If you do not have a strong CM on a multi-prime project you will have a difficult job ahead of you.

Name: O.C. DSA
Date: 24 Feb 2009
Time: 12:49:02

QuestionorComment

What are the advantages of being the PI on a GC or Multiple Prime Contractor project What do you prefer and why Thanks

Name: out of work inspector
Date: 20 Feb 2009
Time: 14:16:19

QuestionorComment

will not help

Name: inspector budget
Date: 20 Feb 2009
Time: 11:12:57

QuestionorComment

with the new state budget can ANYONE out there tell me what effect it might have on us DSA inspectors

That's for people higher up on the chain to decide. Everything I hear is just rumor. Bond projects are the most likely to continue as planned. Potential problems include project budgets that are combined with matching State funds and, of course, State funded projects (e.g. State Colleges). I imagine some projects will be put on hold while others will move ahead as planned. I also imagine that there will eventually be a State budget.

Name: wanna work
Date: 03 Feb 2009
Time: 09:34:22

QuestionorComment

with the economy and the recent talks about LAUSD budget and teacher layoffs does that effect DSA work i was told that bonds that have passed for various schools cant be taken away what is your take on future work

Depends on what you mean by "patch". Are we talking about a 1" hole or a 12" hole? I ask for solid drywall sections...the owner's paying for new construction. Simply cut out a damaged section to extend over the studs so it can be screwed back into place and taped. Surface blemishes can be floated with drywall mud and sanded. This is one person's opinion. Any others?

Name: Carl
Date: 31 Jan 2009
Time: 15:26:33

QuestionorComment

When patching 5/8 drywall in corridor what is fire rated procedure

Try looking in Chapter 5 of the California Mechanical Code. No specific products for joint compound. Type 1 hoods require joints and seams to be made with a continuous liquid-tight weld or braze made on the external surface. Paragraph 509.2 for Type I and II hoods calls for joint and seams to be substantially tight. It says solder shall not be used except for sealing a joint or seam (?). My suggestion is to take the burden off yourself as an inspector and ask for a specific joint sealing product submittal approved by the architect and his consultants as part of the hood submittal.

Name: Simi Valley, California
Date: 28 Jan 2009
Time: 17:27:46

QuestionorComment

In specifications it says for ductwork for range hoods and grease duct to be 304 stainless steel Next paragraph says that joint compound or sealing compound shall be listed by DSA What type of compound for sealing stainless steel duct is listed by DSA

Thanks for your input on the subject!

Name: Inspector Duncan
Date: 26 Jan 2009
Time: 18:02:55

QuestionorComment

At the December test in Sacramento they said there would be brand new plans in March DSA test committee minutes have talked about new plan sets that incorporate a broader sample of construction types possibly by mixing together parts from different projects Could be a nightmare if they try this Frankenstein in March

Good question. I'll look into it. I wouldn't think the changes would impact the plan reading portion of the test.

Name: anderson
Date: 23 Jan 2009
Time: 10:21:53

QuestionorComment

will there be any major changes on the dsa plan readng test since the test is now going off the new code

I am required to carry my own errors and omissions insurance policy on my projects....for a good reason; anyone can be sued at any time for anything. Right?

Name: inspector ozzie
Date: 13 Jan 2009
Time: 10:42:30

QuestionorComment

can a dsa inspector be sued for negligence and or malpractice A fellow class 1 inspector has stated that there is a law on the books that essentially makes the district liable for an inspectors actions or in this case inactions somehow this just doesnt sound correct

Can't answer that one! The school board?

Name: Just a spoke in the wheel
Date: 12 Jan 2009
Time: 17:24:07

QuestionorComment

Inspector Bob I know its an art but sometimes some of the cm and owners will use a hammer on the inspectors and DSA field eng my question is who is policing the owners and cm In the past I have seen the owners fire good non-fighter inspectors because their doing a good job Something need to be done to help the inspectors We often get the hammer

Sorry that this is your experience. I haven't ever had a facilities director or CM stand between me and my enforcement of the code. It is important to let people know, at start-up, that you intend to remain autonomous in your decisions. This doesn't mean you must rule with a hammer...you can be a "team" player and still get the job done. It's an art...The inspector's I see that get in trouble are typically fighters on every issue without allowing consensus or review. Sometimes people around you just need to be educated without it being thrown down their throat. Try it, it works.

Name: Just a spoke in the wheel
Date: 12 Jan 2009
Time: 15:37:32

QuestionorComment

Hello Inspector Bob I have been an Inspector for many years I only have one question for you Who is policing these dirty so called facilities directors It seems like they're running DSA It takes the wind out of my sail I hope for a better future for all DSA Inspectors It also seems like we play musical chairs with these districts Once you flag a code issue you're out of a job Again who is running who I hope for change

The administrative code requires that the inspector maintain a job file, drawings and code books at the project site. The site provisions for the inspector for a project are typically in the contract specifications. There are some projects that have no provisions specified. In these cases the District may offer a space within their facilities or work something out with the contractor to provide you an office in their trailer. The larger the project the more important it will be to have a space to maintain your records in a secure manner. It is in the Districts best interest to have you hooked with telephone and internet and to provide you with a secure location to maintain job files.

Name: inspector dude
Date: 07 Jan 2009
Time: 09:25:58

QuestionorComment

LOOKING FOR THE CODE REQUIREMENT ON INSPECTORS BEING FURNISHED A OFFICE

You can try what I did. I got a full set of plans from a medium to large size project. I then studied ever single page of the MEPS until I fully understood everything on each page. To assist in this process I purchased illustrated mechanical and electrical manuals. As I remember the test (from a long time ago), most of the DSA questions could be answered from the single line drawings, equipment tables, and plan views for each floor.

Name: Wannabee Inspector
Date: 04 Jan 2009
Time: 19:19:34

QuestionorComment

Hello Bob I was approved to take the Class2 exam last year I took it in Sept and passed the code portion and failed the plan reading I retook it in Dec and failed the plan reading again Specifically the MEP portion both times My background is as a carpenter for 30 years and a contractor for 22 I thought I had excellent plan reading skills Apparently I do not Can you recommend a new strategy for me I was enrolled at the Inspector Academy They do not address MEPs

Typically there may be legal action started by the contractor regarding claims for time extension and extra costs. In this case a copy of your records may be requested by all parties named in the action. Your daily reports, meeting minute notes, transmittals, etc. may be entered into the records and reviewed to develop a time-line of activities and manpower. I had one case where a CM was removed and they took legal action against the District. They requested these same documents from me.

In 26 years I have not witnessed one Project Inspector being directly involved in any legal action. Just do your job, keep good records, make sure everything that requires testing is tested and don't make engineering decisions.

Name: O.C. DSA
Date: 30 Dec 2008
Time: 11:14:06

QuestionorComment

What sort of legal action have you heard of that P I s have been dragged into I know this is a very broad topic but I am curious what is the worst thing you have heard and the worst thing that could happen legally I thank you and appreciate your helpful comments Others please feel free to comment too Thanks again

First of all you need LA City certification to inspect steel/welding in L.A. You need L.A County cert to inspect in the county. To qualify for these exams you must meet their minimum requirements. Check their web sites. Many school projects require conformance to FEMA 353 which requires you to have both the AWS CWI and ICC certification to inspect steel/welding. You must have at least a CWI cert to inspect welding on schools.

My feeling as a project inspector is that I want an inspector on my job that has both the ICC and AWS CWI certification. CWI covers welding...period. ICC covers HS bolting, mill and fabrication tolerances, erection tolerances, etc. I need someone who can do it all and I suspect many school inspectors feel the same.

It's not just about getting a license. It's about knowing everything about materials, fabrication, erection AND welding. You need both licenses AND experience to gain this knowledge.

Name: CWI Wannbe Dave
Date: 28 Dec 2008
Time: 18:36:15

QuestionorComment

Hello Inspector Bob I live in the Los Angeles area and I am in the process of studying for the AWS CWI Exam I am also considering taking the ICC Steel Bolts and Structural Steel exam My question is where can the CWI work vs the ICC special inspector Basically all I know is that with the ICC I can work at LA Unified School projects and city of LA Buildings being constructed Could you give me additional on where I can find information to compare each Thanks David S

If you sign on as the Class 1 inspector you are responsible until the project is either completed or up to the last date you are legally identified as the approved inspector by DSA. I take and keep any and all documents with me when a project is completed. If you are off doing a new project while the past project struggles through punchlist, you can keep all your documents in a locked cabinet or locked room at the site. Otherwise, take the documents with you. It's your call but you're responsible for maintaining your documents.

Name: O.C. DSA
Date: 19 Dec 2008
Time: 08:59:29

QuestionorComment

Another question Sometimes a class 1 is sent to a new project when his current project reaches class 3 stage Now your plans have to stay behind I guess if you are truly concerned you could copy your entire file cabinet and plan on retrieving the plans later In this day and age of liability and covering your butt it just seems important to keep all these files and plans What do you guys do I would like to hear from as many of you as possible on this matter Your thoughts please

I always keep boxes of project documents for as long as I can. It has paid off over and over when jobs didn't get closed out and people started calling to ask questions. There have also been some legal proceedings that required copy of my documents. During a project I send out copies of daily reports, semi-monthly reports, inspector transmittals, notices of non-compliance, etc. to the CM/District, the architect, and the office I bill through. There is no need for me to re-send these documents. If anyone asks for copies of other documents I allow them to hire a document repro company to come in and photo copy at my site or to catalogue my files and copy them off-site. This is typical during a litigation. As for pay apps...get a copy of anything you sign, period.

Name: O.C. DSA
Date: 18 Dec 2008
Time: 13:09:57

QuestionorComment

I am wondering how other DSA inspectors handle turning over project documents and your plans that have been updated with all the effecting documents to a firm that you may be billing through There is a massive amount of paperwork generated Should not the inspector have all these documents for back up if there is some sort of legal action brought against the involved parties Also do you guys keep copies of payment applications that you have signed If so why

You should fill out a DSA form 6 whenever a structure or area is about to be occupied, noting any incomplete items. If any of those items is a life-safety or HC access issue you will need to make it clear in written communication to the architect and district. For instance; suppose the fire alarm system is not complete or tested...I would issue a transmittal to all parties stating that the district intends to occupy the building without a completed fire alarm system. I would also make this clear on my form 6. The district may select to wait to occupy or to occupy using a fire-watch program until the system is complete and tested. Some small items like paint or drywall finish that are NOT code issues may keep a project at 99%. eventually, if the small items don't get done, I will communicate with the architect and tell them I am issuing a form 6 for 100% so the project can close without delay. The district can still hold onto the contractor's retention money and either force the contractor to get is done or hire another contractor to finish the work at the original contractor's expense. Whatever you decide to do, let the people on your project know what your intentions are. In the end, if only very small items remain incomplete, I will issue a form 6 showing 100% and let the architect and district fight to get the items completed.

Name: paulie
Date: 18 Dec 2008
Time: 10:28:51

QuestionorComment

on first job as class three contractor has a few small items to finish job but has not finished and seems not interested do i fill form 6 as 95% complete how do i handle it

Name: sinks
Date: 11 Dec 2008
Time: 11:15:19

QuestionorComment

thanks for the pat on the back can anyone else chime in as to where we should take meaurement for knees should it be at its lowest point where channel for overflow is or at bottome of bowl on the sides of overflow

You're correct...CBC Chapter 11B does indicate clearances as you pointed out.

Name: sinks
Date: 09 Dec 2008
Time: 09:48:05

QuestionorComment

it calls for twenty nine at apron and twenty seven inches at knee clear i hear arguments that the knees only go on either side of the overflow hump i have always measured from the little hump for the water overflo as long as i get it in writing from arch and sch i allow not to comply w dsa RECOMMENDATION

California ADA calls for 29" clear under the sink apron and knee space 30" wide and 8" deep below the basin but fails to define the minimum height for knee space. I assume it is less than the 29" measured to the apron? Anyone...

Name: joey
Date: 05 Dec 2008
Time: 09:52:27

QuestionorComment

in regards to the other persons sink ADA question the knee clearance is measured from which point the bottom of the sink bowl or from the channel for the overflow which is typically about one inch plus lower than the bowl

You'll have to ask the Districts that one. I know what you're getting at but contract administration is NOT part of the IORs capacity.

Inspector Jerry
03 Dec 2008
15:36:50

If a school school district uses a DSA inspector who is there to see that the district
gets what the plans call for and works in the districts best interest  Is there 
any need to pay a project manager half a million a year to over see district jobs

Such a little question...such a big answer! The CBC, Division X11- Testing and Inspection, requires the certified welding inspector to check the material, equipment, details of construction and "procedure", as well as the welds. The inspector shall verify compliance with AWSD1.1 AND the approved plans and specs. Most school specs will call for submittal of welding procedures to the engineer for review and approval. AWSD1.1 has pre-qualified procedures and provides information on establishing alternate procedures. In an ideal situation the inspector in the shop or field will verify that the "approved" procedures are followed.

OK, you're on a small welding job and the contractor says we don't need a formal welding procedure; "we're just using pre-qualified procedures right out of AWSD1.1". You check the spec for submittal requirements and there's nothing in there about any requirement to submit procedures for welding. The CWI verifies the materials (mill certs) are per plans, welding consumables are per plans, spec and AWSD1.1, and notes that the contractor is following prequalified AWSD1.1 procedure. Per AWSD1.1, 3.1; All pre-qualified welding procedures shall be "written". Assuming that a copy of the prequalified procedure is given to you in writing, there's nothing legally wrong with this that I know of. Again, check your specifications and general notes. The problem is that the inspector is now taking on the role of determining or interpreting the correct rod or wire, position of welding, joint detailing requirements, pre-heat, inter-pass temperature, backing, etc. and whether or not it is suitable for the application. Why should an inspector ever put himself/herself in this position? This is the job of the architect and engineer.

On a large scale project I always get engineer approved welding procedures to cover the various conditions that will occur on my project. They provide all the information I will need to have the welding properly inspected and they put the responsibility for suitability with the engineer.

The answer to your question is...yes, a welding procedure is required. Whether or not it is formerly submitted to the engineer for approval may be another matter, depending on information in the approved plans and specification.

Name: dsa mike
Date: 03 Dec 2008
Time: 11:32:17

QuestionorComment

does structural welding always require a welding procedure

Remember, this is just an opinion from an inspector...The California ADA, CPC 1504.1 gives specific clearance and height info for accessible lavatories. The specifications for facilities used by children are to be used as a guide. Your question goes back to what is required on your approved plans and specifications. If you fail to meet the child specifications but meet ADA requirements, you may be OK by code but not in compliance with the plans or specs. The State or the inspector may forgive you, but....what does the owner and architect expect?

Name: ADA help
Date: 02 Dec 2008
Time: 14:50:56

QuestionorComment

Table 1115B-1 says suggested dimensions for children's use of bathroom accessories since it is not required is there any forgiveness in these dimensions i have a lav installed in elem school that will only fit within dimensions for adults

Grout like in masonry? Grout like under a base plate? For unit masonry see 2105A.3.4 and UBC Standards 21-16 and 21-18.

Name: Inspector Ron
Date: 21 Nov 2008
Time: 13:31:12

QuestionorComment

Inspector Bob Is there anything in the CBC regarding frequency of testing for grout besides once a week or 5000 square feet

Click on DSA Approved Test Labs on left sidebar on main page for this site.

Name: jack raquel
Date: 18 Nov 2008
Time: 13:30:35

QuestionorComment

I am looking for an approved list of deputy special inspection companies in Oxnard Ca to do special inspection for concrete and structural steel welding Is there a list available

The architect approved submittals will typically indicate the required fixtures. Fixtures and finishes often get changed from what is shown on the plans and are of little concern (typically) to DSA...unless we are talking about large increases in weight and changes to the fixture support systems. In any case, most fixtures are lightweight. You can contact the architect and verify that he/she intended to make the changes shown on the approved submittals. I have at least seven fixture changes that have occurred per approved submittals on my project. There have also been many color changes and some model number changes to equipment. I've never had DSA or the school come back at me for these changes as long as I have an approved submittal. By the way, when I see non-structural components installed that are different than shown on the plans I always ask for an approved submittal if there isn't already one.

Name: question MARK
Date: 18 Nov 2008
Time: 09:54:44

QuestionorComment

question i have approved plans that show a certain type of fixture but the approved submittal that the contractor has installed by is different from the drawings which is correct thanks

The state does not review or approve shop drawings. Shop drawings should reflect the intent of the approved details on the DSA stamped drawings. If the contractor proceeds with shop details that represent a change to the approved documents, you must request a field change directive be submitted by the architect to DSA or issue a Deviation Notice. Although shop drawings are reviewed by the consultants, things get missed if the contractor does not clearly highlight the changes. DSA field engineers will always tell you not to use the shop drawings. I use them as a reference and to clear up issues where changes have occurred. A change in duct size may not be an issue that DSA wants to hear about but you'll want to know that the project HVAC consultant has approved the changes that are on the shop drawings. However, a change in anchor size and embedment at HVAC equipment would be of concern to DSA.

Name: Rudy the inspector
Date: 27 Oct 2008
Time: 23:03:02

QuestionorComment

I need to find where and whether shop drawings take precedence over approved DSA documents.

The CPC section IS enforceable. The specifications and the drawings are collectively approved by DSA and each is part of the enforceable contract documents. With regard to the fire cabinet, if the specification calls for extinguishers then they must be provided. The architect should have an approved submittal for the extinguishers. The toilet paper dispenser in a HC stall must allow for ADA minimum clearance and maximum reach requirements. The submittals are NOT part of the DSA approved documents. #1 is 'comply with code'. #2 is comply with 'approved documents' (sometimes things get missed during review so I'll make this #2), which includes specs and plans. #3 is the submittals. Where spec and plans conflict, the most restrictive usually applies (check contract section of specification). In any case, have the architect clarify conflicts and check your code for possible violations if the answer is in question.

Name: not adopted
Date: 14 Oct 2008
Time: 09:38:19

QuestionorComment

i see your answer to a question states a code sec is not adopted does that mean not to enforce it also on my own job plans call out fire cabinet but dont show extinguisher but specs call for one in every cabinet do specs supersede or if plans show recessed TP disp and approved submital shows surface which is it

CPC 408.6 and reference Chapter 29 CBC (not adopted). 24"

Name: john inspector
Date: 13 Oct 2008
Time: 12:02:15

QuestionorComment

in this school modernization there are new partitions at the boys an girls johns is there a min clearance from the front of the toilet to the door for NON accessible stalls

NEC 344.10. "RMC permitted in concrete...where protected by corrosion protection..." On my current project all rigid piping is purchased coated.

Name: curious engineer
Date: 07 Oct 2008
Time: 11:01:06

QuestionorComment

Is there a recent specific DSA requirement to isolate electrical or other conduits in slab on grade Our electrical details have never shown isolation around such conduits before I am asking because it is a cost issue due to the number of conduits that need wrapping Our approved drawings were also approved by DSA without the conduit isolation but IOR is asking for wrapping around the conduits prior to slab pour Thanks for the help

Name: voice your choice
Date: 07 Oct 2008
Time: 09:34:30

QuestionorComment

a follow up to your Qand A even though sum COs don't go 2 DSA for apprvl, code sez u should still receive a signed CO from the Arch some archs like to provide a blanket approval sheet with the CO nums and brief discript make sure u get a SIGNED copy to incorp into apprvd plans

Change Orders covering minor contract changes, like adding paint to the electrical room walls, do not have to go to DSA. They may get approved 'in-house' but never go to DSA. Changes to code regulated construction must go to DSA. Also, some change orders may get deleted. So, no, the amount received may not = amount approved by DSA.

Name: curious
Date: 06 Oct 2008
Time: 13:25:40

QuestionorComment

i was looking over some dsa forms and it asked for total amount of COs received and total amount of COs approved should there be equal amount or do not ALL COs go to DSA for approval

FCDs are not just for structural. They may include metal stud framing, attachment of finishes (like stone veneer), anchorage detail mods, fire sprinkler or fire alarm mods, elevator mods, anything of significance or dealing with life-safety or access.

COPs will become COs...correct.

There's a lot of other stuff thrown into the mix like RFIs, ASIs, SKs, Field Change Directives, Field Orders... Most of these allow the contractor to keep working but are considered internal. As I see it, our job is to make sure any changes of significance end up with DSA for review and approval as an FCD. Our job is to also notify the contractor of any deviations from the approved documents and to keep a record of those deviations. Before we can close out the project, all significant deviations should have written approval from DSA. We must be careful not to allow something significant to get concealed before an FCD is approved.

The problem with CO's is that some of them don't get approved until months after we have left a project. The approved FCDs cover you; so make sure your architect issues FCDs in a timely manner and works to get approvals in a timely manner.

Name: Mr. Solis
Date: 02 Oct 2008
Time: 11:57:38

QuestionorComment

ever feel too embarrassed to raise your hand in class im glad someone else asked this question so if approved all CO proposals become signed change orders right and only ones dealing with structural need DSA blessing what R FCD and how they work

Not enough time to explain everything in detail. See IR A-6 for specific information from DSA.

DSA wants changes to the code regulated construction, including changes to required testing and inspection, to be submitted to with brief description of why change is required, sketches for review and approval, original details, and new calculations. The response will indicate if a change order is required and will have sketches stamped by DSA. FCDs may or may not be included in a Change Order. Many DSA field engineers use the FCD process to expedite review of changes, allowing work to resume promptly.

Minor changes such as color or finishes need not be sent to DSA.

When a change order is issued it may cover several different changes to the construction documents and may include already approved FCDs as backup. Change Orders include changes to the approved plans or specs such as revisions, deletions, additions and substitutions. DSA may demand additional fees if changes impact the project valuation. Change Orders must be approved by the architect, the school district reps and board (depending on the District), and finally, by DSA. This can be a lengthy process. It is much more efficient to utilize the FCD process to push individual changes through.

DSA approval of changes IS required prior to construction. If a contractor selects to move forward on work prior to FCD approval or prior to change order approval, the inspector's course of action may include issuing a non-compliance or a transmittal indicating that work proceeding without approval by DSA is done so at the contractor's own risk and cannot be approved until changes are approved by DSA. FCDs, if issued by the architect to DSA promptly, may be answered quickly enough to keep work moving without a non-compliance. You can help push this process along.

Keep a book of approved FCDs and change orders. Keep a log of RFI responses that you think warrant an FCD and let the architect and DSA field engineer know about them.

In the real world changes do occur and many will occur prior to DSA approval. My method is to notify all parties of the deviation and need for DSA approval. As noted above, I issue a Transmittal and enter it into a Transmittal Log. I flag changes that I think will require an FCD and enter them into an Field Change Log, working with the architect to get the change promptly to DSA. If a change is major I will issue a notice of 'Non Conformance' and speak with all parties including the DSA field engineer. DSA has the right to stop work if needed.

Name: class 3
Date: 02 Oct 2008
Time: 08:53:20

QuestionorComment

i know this might be too basic for most but im not cert yet can sumone PLS expl in detail and fill any gaps the whole COP FCD process COP is contrctr cost to prfrm extra wk do u get a signd apprvd COP back how is sum wk strtd wout apprvd COP PLS expl in detail COPs FCDs do they go to DSA

Potentially: DSA approved plans, approved concrete footing mix design, shop and field fabrication/erection inspection (CWI inspection) for welding and bolting, soils inspection at footings (approved test lab), IOR (school Project Inspector) inspection including footing ebar, electrical and paint. It depends on the size of the sign. I'm describing a scoreboard install at an athletic field.

Name: Sign Guy
Date: 26 Sep 2008
Time: 07:59:24

QuestionorComment

For sign installations what testing is going to be required on site that an installer would need to know before quoting the job I just build signs and I need companies to install them and need a list to give to them so they know what they are up against when they quote the job and get to the site Thanks for your help

NFPA 13, 2002, 9.3.7 calls for restraining straps at C-clamps in earthquake zones. It does not allow c-clamps (even with straps) at sway bracing.

Name: Inspector CC
Date: 25 Sep 2008
Time: 13:17:52

QuestionorComment

What specific code wording requires seismic straps on beam clamps used to suspended piping Does 1632A6 apply to exception for seismic straps on beam clamps or only exceptions for the strut type bracing normally seen at 4080 ft intervals

My recommendation is to read the soils report recommendations and specification for underground utility trenching backfill. The job I'm on calls for 95% typical. If you are backfilling utilities out in a garden area you will not be addressing the same issues as if you are backfilling under a building slab or firelane. The soils report is part of the contract documents. It will give specific requirements for various conditions including under slabs, under firelanes, under non-traffic paving, under asphalt paving.

Name: dsa mike
Date: 23 Sep 2008
Time: 14:56:04

QuestionorComment

does utility piping bottom of trench require 90 percent compaction per dsa requirements

Actually, I agree completely with your comments (read some of the longer September responses below). DSAMasonry did what he felt he had to do and it's done. Without specific detail information or knowledge of his project, I don't feel like there's much I could add.

Name: Fictious Name
Date: 20 Sep 2008
Time: 20:52:09

QuestionorComment

Your answer to DSAMasonry sounds like if the specialty inspector finds code or spec violations on approved DSA drawings OH WELL they re approved so they must be right As a PI I instruct my specialties to maintain good contact with the Engineer and Arch its always easier and less costly to make a phone call than to tear down and rebuild Remember its the PIs name and rep on the line when push comes to shove

It's interesting... people keep sabotaging the submit forms so they can post links to adult web sites. Every time this happens I have to go in and modify the forms to try to stop the garbage from getting in. If you have problems with the submittal forms, you can thank these selfish individuals that abuse good sites. Let me know which section of which form can't count and I'll fix it.

Working for free to help myself and others grow.....inspector Bob.

Name: Angry
Date: 20 Sep 2008
Time: 20:51:06

QuestionorComment

Your form does not know how to count

Name: DSAMasonry
Date: 19 Sep 2008
Time: 21:05:30

QuestionorComment

You did what you felt was necessary to enforce applicable codes and standards. The IOR did what he/she felt was necessary. That's the way it works.

Your thoughts on an IOR that that says THE PLANS ARE APROVED by DSA inspect per the drawings Two number eights in one cell in an eight inch CMU wall There is so many code violations in that sentence I wont even bother I got all my ammo together and went to the IOR and he said build it per the contract drawings He told me not to call the Engineer or he would have me removed from the job I told him not to bother and called DSA and had my name removed from the project

My comments on this are from the viewpoint of one inspector...., I'm not affiliated with DSA in any way. I'd also like to hear from others on this topic. First of all are we talking about bearing or non-bearing walls? In normal non-bearing construction the bottom track shots are in shear. The top track shots are in shear but also a small amount of tension....again, it depends on the type of construction we're talking about. According to LGSEA (Light Gauge Steel Engineers Association), when a track is in both shear and tension, interaction should be checked (by the design engineer) per ICBO AC70. It is possible that certain project specifications or plans may call for field testing due to higher tension stresses.

DSA IR 19-1 addresses use and testing of post-installed concrete anchors (including power-actuated fasteners). One of the things it says is that "test values and all appropriate criteria shall be shown on the contract documents". Your T&I sheet says to test shot pins. What values for testing have been provided by the engineer? It may be that a phone call to your DSA field engineer and to the structural engineer will reveal that the intention was only to test suspended systems using shot pins. If so, you could have this clarified in writing.

Bottom line (from my perspective): Either get it clarified or test the shots. IR 91-1 says that shot pins are NOT addressed by Section 1923A.3.5, 2001 CBC but that they may be used for allowable stress design, provided shear and tension loads are determined by specific methods. The methods described utilize special inspection and testing per AC70. IR 19-1 also states "power-actuated fasteners may be used for...the attachment of metal track in conjunction with non-bearing partitions." What if a non-bearing wall has such a limited stress design that testing of the shots would be ludicrous? Only the engineer can provide that information. I've rarely tested shots at bottom tracks nor have I had a DSA field engineer request it. Maybe it's time I started?

Name: inspectortech
Date: 19 Sep 2008
Time: 20:04:27

QuestionorComment

On your T and I sheet it calls for shot pins to be tested in your opinion does that mean the pins in the bottom track of steel stud framing Ive been in the business for 16 years and its always meant hanging wires for drop ceilings but the last year all these green IORs are calling for sill plate pins to be tested Ive spoke too dozens of IORs and a few DSA field Engineers and they laugh that I had to make a system to pull these pins Thanks

Do you mean RFI? You can paste reduced sized copies of RFI (approved or unapproved) on the backside of the previous page. Mark "approved" or "not yet approved" on each RFI sheet. When the RFI is actually approved; paste it over the unapproved copy. Remember, some RFI responses will also require an FCD be submitted to DSA for approval. Whenever a contractor proceeds to do work that is not formally approved you can issue a transmittal stating that the contractor is proceeding at their own risk, that you cannot approve any detail changes or scope changes until you have proper approvals. If you do not have up-front assurances from the architect and/or engineer that they will approve the changes and the changes are significant, you may need to issue a notice of non-compliance when the work begins. Sometimes a verbal from you to the contractor stating that "if they start the work you will have to issue a letter of non-compliance" it will result in the contractor delaying the work until approvals are in.

I'm currently on a large project where the AOR is on the project daily and the engineer will take my phone calls at anytime. This allows me to get up-front verbals on what RFI responses will be. Typically I do not post changes on my drawings until they are approved in writing. I may post verbal comments from the architect or engineer where minor clarifications are made in response to an RFI.

If you are on a project where you do not have solid communication links with the AOR and engineer, the process becomes more difficult. Who is asking you to mark the drawings?

Name: RFPs
Date: 19 Sep 2008
Time: 12:01:44

QuestionorComment

do you mark your plans with rfps or wait till they are approved Im on a job where they are starting the work before rfps are approved and Im being asked to mark the plans with unapproved rfps thanks

You're referring to my comments on August 25th...you are correct, 90 degrees does not appear to be a specific requirement under normal placement conditions. I have always used this as a cut-off, at which time I notify the contractor of the risk of not being able to properly place or finish the concrete. I also have the special inspector note it in his/her records. Thanks for your thoughts on this!

Name: George Schumway
Date: 18 Sep 2008
Time: 18:26:43

QuestionorComment

Where does it say in any code or ASTM ACI 90 degree max for concrete placement Please don't quote CBC 1905A 12 4 or ASTM C94 11 8 that's cold weather

Name: cma insp
Date: 10 Sep 2008
Time: 20:56:09

QuestionorComment

Bob the reason people make less money in Ohio than people in California is not supply and demand its cost of living

Why is it hard to get into LAUSD....first of all they already have a roster of inspection companies and service providers that have been pre-approved and are competing for the work. Secondly, they are more inclined to hire companies/providers that can provide several inspectors than individual independent inspectors. This limits the amount of pre-qualification reviews and contracts they must write and if they have a problem with an inspector they can count on larger providers to have backup inspectors available. Entering into any large bureaucracy (like LAUSD) as an independent is going to be more difficult than entering as a full service provider. This does not alter the fact that there is a larger demand for quality inspectors where there's billions of dollars of school expansion on the books.

Name: Mad Max Class 1
Date: 10 Sep 2008
Time: 20:42:23

QuestionorComment

Talking about classification which is a skill level which in my mind should have the same pay for the same classification that DSA qualifies that project within a local region such as SOCal Northern Cal and so on Like a journeyman or an apprentice program I personally think all class 1 should receive 100 per hr and the other classes rated under that figure Also if demand is high why is it hard to get in as an independent in LAUSD as you stated

It's all about supply and demand. The highest pay in So Cal is in the LAUSD district. They traditionally have large projects that demand skilled outside inspectors. It's also difficult to get in as an independent. As the radius expands away from LA and into Long Beach and Orange County the pay drops. I suppose it's the same in and outside of San Francisco. Using LA as a basis; expect pay from a broker of 70 to 85/hour. If you went direct you'd be somewhere around 110+/hr (?). Going direct in Orange County you might get 85 to 95/hour. It depends on the size of the project and the Class of inspector needed. There's no hard answer to your question.

Why is there a difference district to district? Why do people working in Ohio make a smaller wage than people working in California? Again, supply and demand.

Name: Inspector Mad Max class 1
Date: 09 Sep 2008
Time: 18:25:41

QuestionorComment

There does not seem to be a set fee wage for inspectors as to Class category 1 2 3 Why do the districts have a major differences in pay for the same Classification My concern is leaving to much money on the table it seems to be a guessing game when writing a proposal As you know it take a lot of time and effort for each proposal What is the average pay in So Cal for Class 1 2 3

July 31st, 2008. After that date the assistant inspector list is to be removed from DSA website. Assistant inspectors must now certify to class 1, 2, 3 or 4. Read this pdf file from DSA: http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dsa/pubs/IR_A-12_rev_10-03-07.pdf I keep all files as a means of tracking and keeping myself and others informed of proposed changes and approved changes. Many times changes are implemented prior to approval as an official change order (e.g. changes noted in approved FCDs). As an inspector you won't have much to say about costs as noted in a COP but you may be asked to document whether or not change order work was completed. In any case, just put them in a file or book for reference.

Name: kirk
Date: 02 Sep 2008
Time: 15:55:18

QuestionorComment

are they going to due away with the assistant program and when also what do you do with PCOs and COs and COPs please expl iv been told do nothin till signed not even file or keep them till then

The 10 foot head refers to the length of the vertical cylinder (pipe) used to test piping downhill from the test point at the highest end on the pipe. The length of the vertical cylinder is meant to establish a hydrostatic pressure of 4.3 lbs per sq inch for test purposes. This pressure is used to test all fittings, from the highest point to the lowest point. If the head height is based on the elevation of the lowest sections of pipe, upper sections will not be tested with the 10 foot head required. Information on this test appears to originate with recommendations from the Cast Iron Pipe Institute. Here's a free PDF link that may assist you: http://www.cispi.org/pdf/2006-Handbook.pdf

Name: OC DSA
Date: 02 Sep 2008
Time: 09:08:26

QuestionorComment

When testing cast iron waste lines with a 10ft head of water at what point does the 10ft head start My plumbers always try to call the lowest point in the trench the bottom of the head I have them start the head from the highest pipe coupler In modernizations sometimes you just do not have the ceiling clearance Again I ask is it documented somewhere where to start the 10ft head

Maybe someone else can weigh in on this one (?). It's a good question. As shown above, the 10 foot head and pipe size is meant to establish 4.3 lbs/sq inch of hydrostatic pressure. I suppose we could do the math and figure out the minimum size (?).

Name: OC DSA
Date: 02 Sep 2008
Time: 09:01:15

QuestionorComment

When testing cast iron waste lines with a 10ft head of water what size pipe should the head of water be in I believe it should be in the same size pipe as the line under test My plumbers always want to use a small pipe for the head Is it documented what size pipe to use

Fifty minutes + an hour fifteen minutes = 2 hours and 5 minutes. Governing codes/ASTM standards (ASTM C94) call for a maximum 90 minutes or 300 revolutions (whichever comes first) but allows concrete to be placed thereafter if it can be placed without the addition of water, maintains the required slump, remains plastic, and does not exceed 90 degrees temperature under cold weather conditions. If the ACI tech monitors the concrete and finds it to be within compliance, the real issue is whether or not the contractor can finish the concrete before it sets up. It's not an ideal situation and the responsibility to place after 90 minutes rests with the purchaser. The inspector's job at this point is to monitor the concrete as noted above.

Name: ACI tech
Date: 25 Aug 2008
Time: 08:54:38

QuestionorComment

I went on a tag along with an ACI tech a few wks ago to try and learn. The truck took fifty min to get to site and took about an hour fifteen mins to unload. Almost TWO hrs total. Isn't that excessive? Should that have been allowed what should have happened? This was a school DSA job.

Maybe someone else can tackle this one. I don't want to favor any particular firm(s). Check the client bulletin board on this site.

Name: Inspector Susan
Date: 22 Aug 2008
Time: 14:22:44

QuestionorComment

Do you have a current list of DSA inspection firms in Orange County, CA?

I need to work on this one. I know exactly what you're talking about regarding stakes in concrete. If the concrete is fluid and a vibrator is at hand, removal of stakes should not be a big deal. The problem comes when you have stiff concrete and potential voids occur because you can not consolidate the concrete around the removed stake. I have used stainless steel stakes that were left in the concrete but this was because of a sophisticated membrane system below the slab on clay soil. 1907A.5 (Placing Reinforcement) states that reinforcement shall be accurately placed and shall be secured against displacement. This doesn't really address your question. 1916A.7 (Items Embedded after Concrete Placement) is covers precast concrete and has a statement that say embedded items may be permitted (when approved) but must be maintained in the correct position while the concrete remains plastic and that the concrete must be consolidated around the embedded item. This plays into what your talking about. Stakes should be outside the concrete because they are not approved embedded items. If they are in the concrete, they (like reinforcement) should be maintained in the correct position while the concrete is plastic. This means that if you remove the stake when the concrete is stiff you will have a void that was not part of the design or intent. The bottom line is to keep anything out of the concrete that is not part of the approved design and don't leave voids where there is supposed to be solid concrete. Screeds are typically removed when the concrete is fresh and fluid. Vibration and fluid concrete minimizes any potential impact.

There is a standard footing sleeve detail on most drawings that shows a deepened footing with a sleeve thru the deepened section (below the actual footing)This ties back to the code chapter on footings but is an engineering detail for which I don't know the origin. I do know that DSA will accept it when they see it submitted by an engineer.

See also: CBC 3302 regarding wood at foundations.

Name: DSA1
Date: 19 Aug 2008
Time: 10:20:45

QuestionorComment

Hi Bob, Would you happen to know where in code or ACI it says that stakes may not penetrate the footing or concrete because it leaves a Void when removed? Also, I know there is a detail floating around of a DSA approved method of penetrating a footing using a PVC sleeve and a round stake. Any idea where to get it? Thank you

Try going to this link and click on IR A-7 : http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov/Inspector/default.htm You can also go to the HOME page, look down the left sidebar under Practical Information and click on "Inspector Certification and Approval".

Name: Rick
Date: 15 Aug 2008
Time: 15:39:12

QuestionorComment

What is the difference between a class I inspector and a class II inspector?

I'm not sure which line item on the T&I sheet this referred to... I have my soils lab technician take grab samples of base, gravel, sand. They us these samples to develop data curves based on size, moisture, fines. This information is then used to complete compaction testing. Grab samples of aggregate in the batch plant might also be required to show compliance with ASTM concrete materials requirements for a particular concrete mix. In any case, your testing lab should be able to help you out. It typically has something to do with rock, gravel, etc. The lab tech shows up to the site or batch plant and "grabs" a representative sample.

Name: ACI tech
Date: 11 Aug 2008
Time: 08:58:03

QuestionorComment

I noticed on the TI sheet for a school I was working on that they put an X in the sample and test concrete, but they also wrote in parenthesis (grab sample) what does that mean? I've been a tech for 3 yrs and I've never seen (grab sample) before?

National Fire Alarm Code from NFPA (NFPA 72). Also check your architectural drawings. At walls: mount visible notification devices so that entire lens is not less than 80 inches nor greater than 96 inches above finished floor.

Name: alzheimer
Date: 01 Aug 2008
Time: 14:47:44

QuestionorComment

where can i find the requirements for fire alarm system strobes? (location heights) memory says something like 80" or 6" from ceiling? i am drawing such a blank right now.

Name: answer to question
Date: 11 Jul 2008
Time: 13:09:10

QuestionorComment

yes consolidation is required. some contractors will try and get away with saying that they are stepping all over the pea gravel mix while placing it. NUH UH! not sure if is required by code, but I make them mechanically vibrate it ALL, I wanna ensure to surround all rebar and corners. anyone with other info to add?

Like in a CMU wall? Like at slab on grade? Consolidation is required....yes!

Name: concrete shoes
Date: 11 Jul 2008
Time: 12:00:22

QuestionorComment

do you make contractors vibrate pea gravel mix?

Your call on the plumbing test would be correct when condition of existing lines is in question or when existing lines are in use. Of course, you will not be testing the tie-in connection so you should verify integrity of the final connection.

How strict are THEY on wood structures? If you are the inspector, YOU are THEY. Wood splitting can result from wood that is too dry. Have you verified moisture content? has wood been sitting outside baking in the sun? Is the gun too powerful for the application? These are things that need to be verified. Personally, One wood split isn't going to give me a heart attack. Whenever repetitive splitting is noted in structural lumber, I ask for pre-drilling (per code). Whenever there is repetitive splitting at plywood I either ask for a re-nail using a properly set nail gun or I have the panel removed and reworked by hand.

Name: bored
Date: 08 Jul 2008
Time: 14:39:46

QuestionorComment

frnd & i were goin over sum old plans durng the hliday weekend. (borng hliday) questions, how wuld u pressure tst plum pipe copper or steel connecting to (E) plumb? cap and test before connecting to (E)? also, nvr done a wood struct. is it tru that if nail breaks skin of wood or splits one member they can no longer use nail gun? how strict are they on wood structures?

I'll admit that I have selected not to test some #3 bar where used for light structural or non-structural applications. CBC Section 1929A.2 says one tensile, one bend test shall be made from a specimen from each 10 tons or fraction thereof (every 2 1/2 tons for unidentified bar) of each size of reinforcing steel. By code it is required. Any materials testing lab can pick up samples and test them for you. You should have mill certs to send to the lab with the samples. Ask the lab what length they want for testing (usually 2 or 3 feet long).

Remember, at project close-out, DSA will look for all lab test results and sign-offs from the lab engineer. On a large project it may go unnoticed that some #3 was never tested. On a small project it may be easily noted if testing was NOT performed. Why risk it? Just send it in and test it.

Name: dsa supporter
Date: 27 Jun 2008
Time: 10:47:30

QuestionorComment

on my T&I sheet it calls to sample and test bar steel. but we are only using #3 bars and only doing some sidewalks and some S.O.G. in the rest rooms. I have never had to test any #3 bars. Is it common to test them? What should I do? Do I make a phone call? Also thanks for everyones support against assembly bills, lets keep it up and stick together.

Here's a copy of an email I just received regarding assembly bill 2966!

From: Maury MacKenzie [mailto:msmaury@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:24 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Results of Senate Health Hearing June 25, 2008

Thirty five Inspectors showed up at the Capitol this afternoon.
We dressed in our "snappy" new white tee shirts that basically said:
Control Health Care Costs
Protect Public Safety
Oppose AB 2966

We were noticed! Ultimately, Sally Lieber was forced reduce AB 2966 to a "Study" bill to get it passed by the Senate Health Committee.

What it boils down to is this:
Lieber gutted the bill's provisions
She reduced the requirements to: perform a study of the issue...
Our lobbyist, Skip Daum will begin meetings with Lieber and her staff tomorrow to narrow the scope, time and participants in the study.
Hospital Inspectors will be involved in the process of the study.

This bill was stopped by the hard work of many people!
The analysis of the Bill showed five organizations supporting and more that two full pages of ORGANIZATION AGAINST THE BILL.

It was not magic that we were successful. Every letter to every legislator, every contact with your Hospital Administration, every discussion with your Design Professionals and every phone call to raise awareness of this bill added up to success.

While AB 2966 has been reduced to something we can manage, this is not the end. PECG has noticed us. We are exactly the kind of target they are looking for to increase their slice of the pie. They are not likely to give up.

So, take a well deserved rest from this political hot potato!
But look out! Come January, the California Assembly will start the whole thing over again.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

This is a great question. It is not our job to become engineers and make arbitrary decisions where there is conflict in the documents. A verbal clarification between the architect and the contractor may satisfy the contractor so he can proceed, but must be followed up in writing so the inspector has documented direction/clarification. The RFI is set up for this purpose. It is in the contractor's best interest to issue an RFI. If the answer results in increased costs, the contractor cannot typically claim on verbal directions. Any response that results in changes to the structural details will also require an FCD approved by DSA.

Personally, I always use the most stringent detail (e.g. the largest stud size indicated) to accept or reject the installation. I tell this to the contractor followed by a comment that he has the right to issue an RFI to clarify the details where there is a conflict.

If, at any time, the inspector becomes the one that is giving direction to the contractor and it is not backed by specific information in the approved plans or specification, the inspector may become involved in claims made by the contractor for additional costs or delays.

Don't forget, stud sizes can change to accommodate plumbing rough-in. They may also change from an interior non-bearing wall to an exterior or interior bearing wall. Maybe this is why your plans indicate different size studs?

Name: kinda new insp.
Date: 24 Jun 2008
Time: 21:23:52

QuestionorComment

legend notes and detail call for different size wood studs but contractor is reluctant to submit RFI and keeps asking me to call arch and get verbal im not against it and have done it in the past but isnt it really contractors job to ask questions and get the answer

Name: DenM IOR
Date: 17 Jun 2008
Time: 08:29:22

QuestionorComment

RE: JAMESWHAT - CBC all county's in California are required to use the mandated CBC state statue adopted by the CBC - includes ADA but see ch11 and the ACRM Access Compliance Reference Manual - BUT - some co.'s do addendum these standards so ask your co B&S -

Name: DenM IOR
Date: 17 Jun 2008
Time: 08:22:17

QuestionorComment

CCPCI - THIS ORGANIZATION ORIGINATED DUE THE LACK OF REPRESENTATION IN SACRAMENTO DURING THIS AB 2966 & AB 2995 CRISIS WHICH TO DATE IS STILL ONGOING - FOR SIGNING THE PETITION - www.cqcinc.net/IORNIBOSHPD.html see more comments below

Name: DenM IOR
Date: 17 Jun 2008
Time: 08:19:57

QuestionorComment

NEW ORGANIZATION ESTABLISHED FOR THE TITLE 24 (T24) CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS - MEMBER INFO EMAIL - membership@ccpci.org - CALIFORNIA COALITION of PROFESSIONAL CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS

As a DSA inspector I am no longer involved with county codes. We use the California ADA manual.

Name: jameswhat
Date: 06 Jun 2008
Time: 02:32:05

QuestionorComment

what are the county codes for handrails for handicap ramps

Whenever there is a dispute about plaster finish, your best bet is to arrange for the architect, contractor and the inspector to meet on site with a technical representative for the plaster industry (e.g. Technical Services Information Bureau, 714-221-5530). As far as doing a core test...taking a sample of the plaster and substrate will result in a need waterproof repairs but will give you physical evidence of plaster thickness and substrate, including lath and paper protection course. If proper inspection was done, this information should already be available (e.g. type of lath and backing, cure for scratch and brown coat). What is the specific reason your "specialist" is saying you wouldn't pass code?

Name: inspector trish
Date: 02 Jun 2008
Time: 10:03:21

QuestionorComment

i live in los angeles and have been told by a specialist my new exterior plaster job looks like it wouldn't pass code do you know anyone who will do a core test of the plaster and put results in writing

Try visiting this site for updates: http://www.cqcinc.net/IORNIBOSHPD.html. Also here's a letter that will interest you from OSHPD.

June 10, 2008

Assembly Member Sally Leiber

State Capitol

Sacramento, CA 95814

Re: AB 2966 (As Amended May 23, 2008) - Oppose

Dear Assembly Member Leiber:

On behalf of the Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development (OSHPD), I am writing to inform you of our opposition to Assembly Bill 2966. This bill would create a new and costly state program by shifting the responsibility for hiring and managing inspectors of record (IORs) of hospital construction projects from individual hospitals to OSHPD.

While OSHPD actively works to improve its services and ensure the safety of California’s hospital building inventory, there are currently safeguards in place to prevent incompetent or fraudulent behavior on part of a hospital and project inspectors. The architects are required to make regular visits to the site and file verified reports on the progress of construction. OSHPD field staff monitors construction as well as the IOR and may issue a stop work order if they find the IOR is incompetent or inadequate. Additionally, there are also special inspectors that inspect work of a complex or critical nature, and testing labs that sample work and ensure quality of concrete, welds, etc.

Shifting the responsibility to hire, place and perform all the administrative functions to support the 600-700 IORs from the hospital to OSHPD will significantly increase administrative and personnel costs for the department. Additionally, the 600-700 new IOR contracts cannot be supported by the existing hospital application fee as required in the bill. This fee is set in statute at 2% of construction costs and currently produces enough revenue to support the existing program, and not the additional mandate.

David Carlisle, M.D., Ph.D.

Director

cc: Jennifer Kent, Deputy Legislative Affairs Secretary, Office of the Governor

Name: DSAIOR
Date: 28 May 2008
Time: 14:48:52

QuestionorComment

bob i hear they are trying to bring the two assembly bills that will do away with dsa and oshpd back in front of the senate is that true what can you tell me

No, I don't have the answer for protection at a pond. I understand your safety issue. There is information on protection at an outdoor swimming pool that may apply. This information can be found in CBC part 2, Vol 1, Section 3118B and Appendix Chapter 4, section 421. The information is very specific and too detailed to reprint here. As an aside, to a toddler, a 12 inch deep pond could be just as dangerous as a 4 foot deep pond.

Name: dsa mike
Date: 23 May 2008
Time: 12:11:41

QuestionorComment

a child could fall into this pond and drowned. this is the reason I would like an answer whether a pond of a certain depth requires a fence on a community college. do you have the answer.

Mike...my focus continues to be major construction. Not much knowledge base for safety fencing around ponds. Sorry!

Name: dsa mike
Date: 23 May 2008
Time: 08:42:58

QuestionorComment

at what depth of a specimen pond at a college would a fence be required for the safety of the college?

Dennis...check out the various links and resources on this site. Use the DSA link to review their web site for information. You must meet DSA qualifications for experience, get approved to take their examination and pass the exam. You can do self-study or look around for classes...but you must have sound construction experience to qualify.

Name: Dennis.kirkpatrick
Date: 22 May 2008
Time: 16:20:02

QuestionorComment

How do I become a DSA level 3 inspector

Name: thankfull
Date: 15 May 2008
Time: 10:00:24

QuestionorComment

Bob no question but a comment thanks for the great forum and information.

Wow. Is this stump Inspector Bob time? I look at tolerances for ceiling systems as a contract specification item. Some projects want everything within very small tolerances that exceed any code requirements. Is your question a code question or contract question?

Name: Todd Hawk
Date: 08 May 2008
Time: 13:49:51

QuestionorComment

How far can a T Bar compression strut be out of plumb in 4 feet in a wood structure Thank you for your time Todd

This is one of those questions that has several answers. DSA has a detail review/approval process for changes to details on approved plans. The architect submits a Field Change Directive (FCD) to the DSA field engineer for review and approval. For structural changes the FCD must have engineer calcs and stamp provided. This method of notifying DSA of changes should be ongoing without delay throughout the course of the project. Now these changes to approved details (typically structural, fire and life safety or H.C. access) must, at some point be put into a change order that is submitted to DSA indicating a change in scope from approved plans and the $$ amount of the changes. Several unrelated changes can be lumped into one change order. There may be many change orders over the course of a project. DSA will adjust their fees if the project valuation is increased.

The overall objective is to keep DSA in loop of any consequential changes to the approved project, allow DSA to review important changes prior to implementation of the changes, and to collect fees when the changes are significant.

The school district will typically have you review change orders and request signature to verify the work was done. You do NOT sign FCD's but DSA wants the inspector to push the architect on your project to issue FCD's whenever changes are made to the approved plans. Not changes like mods to floor or wall finish or change in size of HVAC duct. Not mods like changing a 4 inch stud to a 6 inch stud at a non-bearing wall. I'm talking about structural detail changes, changes to fire alarm devices, omition of fire-smoke dampers, and that kind of stuff. You'll learn over time what is considered relevant. Good luck!

Name: inspector to be
Date: 01 May 2008
Time: 15:58:57

QuestionorComment

I just went on a few interviews for dsa inspector I was asked what my role as an inspector is when it comes to potential change orders AND change orders not exactly sure what they are or how they work in your opinion what is the best answer as to the inspectors role

Take a look at the comments below.

Name: worried
Date: 31 Mar 2008
Time: 11:21:33

QuestionorComment

any news on the assembly bill that will ruin the inspection business as we know it any news as to meetings within the inspection community to come up with a game plan.

It appears that assembly bill 2995 proposes to re-write the Field Act and address potential 'conflict of interest' issues when DSA inspector's are hired by and responsible to the School Districts in which they are working. They propose to do this by making all DSA inspectors directly responsible to (tested, approved and paid through) the Department of General Services. The response to this bill is exemplified by the following emails I received:

Subject: assembly bills AB2966 & AB2995
Attention All OSHPD and DSA Inspectors; your action is needed IMMEDIATELY!

It appears both bills are backed and probably started by the union.
You can go to the state assembly web site and search for bill 2995 ( authored by Davis). At the bottom you can click on oppose and give a comment. Dave Foley's suggestions are a good start. I went on a web site to research the calif. bill to law process. I will mail you the site. It offers some good info about who to contact. I don't think the state will employ 4000 inspectors. Also I would like to find out if that union contributes to their campaigns.

The California Assembly is holding hearings on two bills, AB 2966 and AB 2995. Both bills make the accusation that there is corruption amongst DSA and OSHPD certified inspectors and the only way to protect the public is to remove them from the employment of the owner and remove them from under the direction of the Architect and/or Engineer of Record. OSHPD IORs would be employed through OSHPD and be assigned projects accordingly. DSA Inspectors would be employed through General Services and also be dispatched accordingly. All would be required to become members of the union; Professional Engineers in California Government (PECG). PECG is the union for Cal Trans as well as OSHPD and DSA. As one might expect, PECG is sponsoring both bills. This would be a huge win fall for the union’s revenue and a disaster for the inspector. How you receive your job assignments the frequency of your assignments and associated pay will be purely up to the state. Additionally, state benefits, i.e. healthcare and pension, are not applicable. The construction inspection vocation as we know it will be over. Without your immediate action these bills will make it to the legislature for vote.

What to do?

Immediately contact your local district Assembly representative. E-mail does not carry the clout as a written letter but will suffice. It is extremely important to contact all representatives who sit on the “hearing” committees.

For AB 2966, contact all members of the Committee on Health. Their link is:
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/newcomframeset.asp?committee=10

For AB 2995, contact all members of the Committee on Business and Professions. Their link is: http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/newcomframeset.asp?committee=129

Be sure and respond to the accusations made in the bills. Tout the checks and balances currently in place and the importance of taking direction from the A/E of Record. Note the potential for extreme cost over-runs when the state coordinates and dispatches. Emphasize the definite impact of certain to be cronyism and an even greater bureaucracy. Increased project delivery time and excessive costs associates with PECG affiliation will get their attention.

For your review, both bills are attached. Inform family and friends and rally their support and participation. Go on-line and find your Assembly and Senate representatives. The State web sites are very easy to navigate. You can also FAX your letters to them at;

Health Committee: (916) 319-2197
Lieber's Office: (916) 319-3122
Republican's: (916) 319-3902

Both Assembly Bills are scheduled to be discussed in committee hearings on March 25th. NOW is the time to act! I’m writing my letters… I sincerely hope that you will too.

This AB 2995 would require a change in the Field Act that would direct the State to actually appoint Inspectors to projects. This is a real problem. This has the State assigning projects to Project Inspectors. DGS or DSA can't get anything right with any consistency. Plan approval or the way DSA handles the administration of the Project Inspector tests are perfect examples. They cannot even administer a testing program for Inspectors much less take on something of this magnitude, as stupid as it is. I attach this bill and a sample letter for you to send to any or all of the legislators listed below.

There is another, similar bill, AB 2966, that is aimed at OSHPD Inspectors and both AB's refer to this media story of an isolated incident .....

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=assignment_7&id=5617829

Again, this is an instance where if we just do nothing, someone else will do something. Manage your destiny!

Adding yet another layer of bureaucracy to this process is ridiculous.

Please forward this and E-mail everyone you know, particularly the legislators. Do not procrastinate.... bombard them. We need to stop this now. Trying to reverse it later will be damn near impossible!!

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2951-3000/ab_2995_bill_20080222_introduced.html

Here's a copy of AB 2995:

BILL NUMBER: AB 2995 INTRODUCED
BILL TEXT

INTRODUCED BY   Assembly Member Davis

                        FEBRUARY 22, 2008

   An act to amend Sections 17311 and 81143 of the Education Code,
relating to education facilities.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

   AB 2995, as introduced, Davis. Education facilities: inspections.
   (1) Existing law requires the Department of General Services to
supervise the design and construction of certain school buildings,
including specified community college facilities, to ensure that
plans and specifications comply with specified structural safety
standards and to ensure that the work of construction has been
performed in accordance with the approved plans and specifications,
for the protection of life and property. Existing law also requires
the department to pass upon and approve or reject all plans for the
construction of, and in some cases, the alteration of, any school
building subject to those provisions, and to make inspections of the
school buildings and work of construction or alteration that in its
judgment is necessary or proper for the enforcement of these
requirements and the protection of the safety of the students, the
instructors, and the public. These requirements are part of the body
of law known as the Field Act.
   Existing provisions of the Field Act require school districts and
community college districts to provide for and require competent,
adequate, and continuous inspection during construction or alteration
by an inspector satisfactory to the architect or structural engineer
and the Department of General Services. These provisions also
require these inspectors to act under the direction of the architect
or structural engineer as the governing board of the school district
or community college district may direct and to be responsible to the
governing board.
   This bill would amend the Field Act to instead require the
Department of General Services to provide for and require competent,
adequate, and continuous inspection during construction or
alteration. The bill would require the inspector to act under the
direction of, and to be responsible to, the Department of General
Services. The bill would require the school district or community
college district to reimburse the actual costs of performing the
inspection required under the bill to the Department of General
Services from its building funds. To the extent that this bill would
create new duties for school districts and community college
districts, it would constitute a state-mandated local program.
   (2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse
local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
   This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates
determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state,
reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these
statutory provisions.
   Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: yes.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. The Legislature finds and declares all of the
following:
   (a) Inspectors of record serve as the eyes, ears, and voice of the
public on elementary and secondary school and community college
construction projects, and they help ensure that construction
standards are met, that projects meet seismic safety requirements,
and that the materials used will stand the test of time.
   (b) Under current law, school districts and community college
districts are allowed to select and hire their own inspectors to
oversee district construction projects, creating an inherent conflict
of interest.
   (c) This conflict of interest recently was the subject of media
stories in which inspectors of record revealed that they were
pressured by school districts and community college districts to
approve unsafe, deficient work and to cut corners and overlook
problems in order to continue to receive contracts to perform
inspections.
   (d) Allowing school districts and community college districts to
hire their own inspectors threatens the health and safety of
students, teachers, parents, school employees, and other users of
education facilities.
   (e) Placing the authority to hire inspectors with the State of
California will eliminate the conflict of interest and allow
inspectors to focus on ensuring that construction standards are met
and that public safety is protected.
   (f) Placing the responsibility for hiring inspectors of record for
elementary and secondary school and community college construction
with the Department of General Services will help ensure public
safety, the cost-effective use of bond and tax revenues, and timely
project delivery.
SEC. 2. Section 17311 of the Education Code is amended to read:
   17311. (a) The Department of General Services shall make
~~such~~ the inspection of the school buildings and
of the work of construction or alteration as in its judgment is
necessary or proper for the enforcement of this article and the
protection of the safety of the pupils, the teachers, and the public.
The school district, city, city and county, or the
political subdivision within the jurisdiction of which any school
building is constructed or altered Department of
General Services shall provide for and require competent,
adequate, and continuous inspection during construction or alteration
by an inspector satisfactory to the architect or structural
engineer and the Department of General Services . The
inspector shall act under the direction of the governing
board and architect or structural engineer as the board may direct
Department of General Services . The inspector
shall be responsible to the governing board for employment purposes.
The inspector shall be responsible to the Department of General
Services for enforcement of the plans and specifications of the
school project. The school district shall reimburse the
actual costs of performing the inspection required under this
section to the Department of General Services from its building
funds.
   (b) In order to ensure the competency and adequacy of the
inspectors required under this article, the Department of General
Services shall do all of the following:
   (1) Revise the examination used to determine the competency of
those who provide inspections pursuant to this article. The revision
of the examination shall include techniques of inspection,
construction, plan reading, required submittal documents, and
knowledge of statutes and regulations that apply to school
construction. The revision of the examination shall be done not later
than 48 months after the last revision and not earlier than 36
months after the last revision.
   (2) Provide training on an ongoing basis to all individuals who
provide the inspections required under this article. The training
shall be designed to ensure that all individuals who provide the
continuous inspection of school building construction or alteration
~~are sufficiently knowledgeable~~ have sufficient
knowledge of the rules, regulations, and standards that apply
under this article.
   (3) Require evaluation of the competency of those who provide
inspections pursuant to this article. After an initial evaluation
, a reevaluation shall occur not later than 48 months
after the last evaluation or reevaluation and not earlier than 36
months after the last evaluation or reevaluation. An evaluation or
reevaluation shall include passage of the examination used to
determine competence specified in paragraph (1) and attendance at
training specified in paragraph (2).
   (c) The Department of General Services may require a fee from all
individuals applying for evaluation or reevaluation pursuant to
subdivision (b), and a fee for the examination administered in the
evaluation or reevaluation. The fees shall not be more than the
reasonable costs associated with the development and administration
of the examination and the training.
SEC. 3. Section 81143 of the Education Code is amended to read:
   81143. The ~~State~~ Department of General
Services shall make ~~such~~ the inspection
of the school buildings and of the work of construction or
alteration as in its judgment is necessary or proper for the
enforcement of this article and the protection of the safety of the
students, the instructors, and the public. The community
college district, city, city and county, or the political subdivision
within the jurisdiction of which any school building is constructed
or altered Department of General Services shall
provide for and require competent, adequate, and continuous
inspection during construction or alteration by an inspector
satisfactory to the architect or structural engineer and the
Department of General Services . The inspector shall act
under the direction of the architect or structural engineer
as the board may direct , and be responsible to
~~the governing board~~ , the Department of General
Services. The inspector shall be responsible to the Department of
General Services for the purposes of his or her employment. The
community college district shall reimburse the actual costs of
performing the inspection required under this section to
the Department of General Services from its building funds .
SEC. 4. If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this
act contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement to local
agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant
to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of
the Government Code.

Name: Inspector Mark
Date: 12 Mar 2008
Time: 08:57:38

QuestionorComment

Bob do you have any information on assembly bill 2966 and and senate bill 2995 from what I have read if these bills pass we could all be working for the state

Name: dsa mike answer
Date: 26 Feb 2008
Time: 12:36:07

QuestionorComment

I think the best thing to do is make good tabs for each section mech elec arch struc etc then i suggest taking the little qtr inc wide tabs with the arrows and putting them on individual pages next to notes details writen changes or anything that might be important they will stand out as you scan the page

Name: dsa mike
Date: 26 Feb 2008
Time: 12:07:50

QuestionorComment

I am taking my class 2 plan reading test again and wondered what procedure to take in the 30 minute study time proir to the start of the test. Basically the most important things to look for.

We've talked about this in the past (below). Within the guidelines of public bidding, a district can contract with any individual or business to perform inspection services. Each and every school project requires that an appropriately certified DSA inspector be approved for the project. The District, Architect, Engineer and DSA make that call through review of the inspector's DSA-5 form. The person or business that receives a contract does not need to be certified or approved to any classification, just the person actually doing the inspection. The Class 1 must submit a DSA-5 and be approved to do the inspection. The class 3 cannot do any inspection unless he is also approved as an assistant IOR.

Name: pay day ray
Date: 25 Feb 2008
Time: 09:51:13

QuestionorComment

I was told by a class three that he did some wk and got in good with a school dist and now got a contract with the school on a class one proj and he now has hired a class one to work the job can a class three hold a contract on a one job and hire a one to do the the work

Name: frankdi
Date: 19 Feb 2008
Time: 15:30:54

QuestionorComment

The prescriptive code book and IRs are going to show you what can you or standard designs. The designer will give you more detail on attachment if not listed in the code I believe that all elements require backing and positive attachment for seismic. Frank

I know that DSA field engineers have asked us not to use toggles to attach partitions to walls, etc. Typical methods of attachment utilize screws to backing, screws to studs, anchors to concrete or masonry. The fact that someone would even consider using a toggle would indicate that there is a lack of backing. Backing and details are typically provided on the plans for partitions, casework, accessories, equipment, etc. On a renovation, backing is usually added by installing additional framing in the walls or ceiling. If details for backing or attachment are not shown on the plans, contact your architect for details and check with DSA IR's. Visit http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dsa/pubs/SB1122.pdf for file on securing non-structural components.

Name: Jeff BI
Date: 14 Feb 2008
Time: 14:54:30

QuestionorComment

Hi Bob This question always comes up it seems and I dont have a solid answer for it When can toggle bolts or snap toggle bolts be used Im talking about DSA OSHPD or Commercial jobs Is there a code section IR Pin or Can or something that spells out the rules in black and white Ive been told that they can never be used What tells you that Thanks a lot Jeff

There are links provided in this site to some on-line study courses. I cannot attest that they work or not (I haven't seen the study material). DSA states that the best training is 'experience' and I agree. Try these links: Training/Certification/Education Inspector Academy (private) http://www.inspectoracademy.com/courses.html The DSA Academy (State of California) http://www.applications.dgs.ca.gov/dsa_academy/. Also, College of the Canyons is supposed to start an inspector class. They are in Santa Clarita. Their link is http://www2.canyons.edu/.

Name: Marco
Date: 28 Jan 2008
Time: 16:36:32

QuestionorComment

i am going to take the dsa ll test in june and i need some study help where or who conducts a class geared toward passing the dsa exam please help thanks marco

Be yourself and relax. Have a list prepared of projects you've worked on, type of construction you've worked on and your work history. Your greatest asset is your experience and you've got lots of it.

Name: wishing to be inspector craig
Date: 14 Dec 2007
Time: 10:39:09

QuestionorComment

i have an interview next week for a inspector i have been a welder for seventeen years and have been asked to go for this interview so i must have something they want so im looking for all the info to get on track can you help and what would they want to hear in the interview when i go for a welding interview and test the job is mine before i get in the door but this is allot different

I usually write up a "proposal to provide services" on my business letterhead. Categorize the services you will provide (e.g. Class 1 Project Inspector). Indicate the starting date and anticipated end date (provided by the District). Based on the dates provided, issue a projected not-to-exceed amount. Use calendar work days for the time period shown. Indicate your "basis of fees" by showing your hourly rate. For long-term projects, indicate that increases for cost-of-living will be negotiated with the District every twelve months. Explain that over-time and week-end work will be billed above and beyond the amount indicated. That all overtime work must be authorized by the District prior to doing the work. Attach copy of required insurances. Sign and date your proposal. I create all this on a one or two page form. I like it to the point and simple.

If a district has a required contract format, simply ask for a copy of their format, fill in the required information and use attachments to convey additional concerns.

If you want to issue a contract that has all the legalities covered, hire a lawyer to create a contract outline for your business and use it on all your projects.

Name: Jimmy
Date: 06 Nov 2007
Time: 09:06:22

QuestionorComment

Hi again Bob - I am wondering where a guy just starting out would get a draft of a typical contract with a school district. Are the contracts fairly uniform? Are they drafted by the inspector or the district? Obviously it is the district that dictates the terms of things like insurance, so does this mean that they supply the contract? Thanks for this great resource.

Good idea. I'll address project close-out ASAP. Your responsibility is to issue a completed form 6 to DSA. You must note any incomplete portions of the work. You must issue a form 6 when any portion of the project is being occupied, even if the overall project is NOT complete.

The special inspector is responsible for issuing a DSA form 292 Special Inspection Verified Report (available at: http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/dsa/lea/DSA-292.pdf). The special inspector and the approved testing lab share the responsibility of getting their reports and close-out forms to DSA. Daily reports should have been issued by the lab to DSA within 14 days of being issued. You should have received daily copy of all field reports for your review. Assuming you have reviewed all special inspection daily reports and all lab test results and found them to be in compliance, you need only submit your own form 6 and let the testing lab and their inspectors handle their own verified report submittals. DSA has a suggested format for all inspection daily reports. Daily reports issued to DSA by the testing lab may have a cover sheet conforming to these formats attached and stamped by the lab engineer. I'm not sure DSA would want your field copy of daily reports since they have not been reviewed by the testing lab and may not be in DSA recommended format.

Here are the final verified reports that the testing lab is required to submit to DSA:

DSA 291: Laboratory Verified Report (PDF - 205 KB) Revised 08/07/06
DSA 292: Special Inspection Verified Report (PDF - 207 KB) Revised 08/07/06
DSA 293: Geotechnical Verified Report (PDF - 205 KB) Revised 08/07/06

Name: Six Month Inspector
Date: 03 Nov 2007
Time: 13:38:15

QuestionorComment

I am finishing up my first project. I don't have any open items. I am going to meet with the architect next week to close out the job. Do I just fill out a form 6 and provide copies of quarterly reports and reports from my welding inspector? Your getting started notes are great; how about a getting finished article. Thanks for the resources.

This already happened to me twice on my new project. Do not let it go. Contact the architect diplomatically. An approval by DSA plan-review does not mean that every detail or note in the plans was checked for code compliance. Bring up the specific code issue privately without making a big deal out of it. If the architect gives revised direction and the contractor proceeds to resolve the issue by doing what is necessary to correct the violation during the construction phase, the problem simply goes away. If the resolution is complicated and involves changes to the approved documents, make sure the architect follows through by submitting an FCD (field change directive) for DSA approval. The time to make noise is when work begins that is in violation of the code and the architect has refused to address the issue.

I have a stepped footing detailed on the approved plans. It shows each step with a height of 24 inches. The footing section of the code says the the maximum height is 18 inches. When I brought the issue up to the architect he followed through by contacting the structural engineer. It ended up that the issue required review by the soils engineer. He issued a written statement stating that the maximum height had to be 18 inches. The contractor ended up complying with the code without an argument. Another important thing is that this was all done without a non-compliance and without me giving any direction to the contractor. Try to avoid giving directions to the contractor...just tell him what you'll accept and what you won't accept. If a detail on the plans is clearly in violation of the code requirements, you cannot accept the work without specific approval by DSA.

Name: Jimmy
Date: 23 Oct 2007
Time: 17:23:04

QuestionorComment

Hi Bob. What if you notice something specifically shown on the approved plans that is a code violation? Do you let it go under the premise that the plans were checked and approved by DSA? Do you write it up and let the contractor sort it out with the DSA field rep? Or something else? Thanks.

As you leaf through the various sections of the California Building Code, California Electrical Code, California Plumbing Code or the California Mechanical Code you will see symbols (solid line, arrow, CACA, double line, *) in the margins beside certain paragraphs. These symbols indicate changes from the model code, deletions from the model code, amendments to the model code, changes to an amendment, and deletion of model code language. For example; the CBC is modeled after the UBC. So the CBC is basically word-for-word a replication of the UBC EXCEPT that they have made changes which are noted by symbols. These symbols are explained in the preface (front) of your CBC. The changes have been implemented to create building regulations that reflect the state's statutes. Watch out when using Part 2 Volume 2 of the CBC. Chapters followed by an "A" have been created specifically to address schools, essential services and hospitals. This is where you'll see most of the symbols I was talking about above.

The new code will have lots of changes and create all kinds of discussion but it won't effect most projects that you'll be on for the next few years. It will only effect projects submitted after the new code is introduced.

Name: city guy
Date: 18 Oct 2007
Time: 19:18:28

QuestionorComment

BOB what is the difference between the ( UBC, UPC,ETC) and the California building code? Are there going to be major changes when the new California building code comes in "08", are there any good classes offered to prepare for the code change in "08"

Although I've addressed this topic on other occasions (check below) I'd prefer sticking with DSA inspection related questions. Try Lisa Greenberg at Cornerstone Specialty Insurance Services. Irvine, CA. She'll help you get insured.

Name: Inland Empire Inspector
Date: 18 Oct 2007
Time: 10:58:36

QuestionorComment

I was talking with a school district about a six month renovation project. They wanted proof of general liability, E&O and workers comp. The project has been put on hold, but the insurance thing is coming up more often. Where do you even go to look for a quote?

Thanks for the support. When I first started this site I had intended to add more and more information. I also intended to contact school districts and get them to post requests for quotes (RFQs) when looking for inspectors. It was at this time that I started a 77 mil + project without the help of an assistant. So, I have lots of work left left to do before this site is where I want it to be..

Name: Six month inspector
Date: 14 Oct 2007
Time: 21:09:01

QuestionorComment

Last time I posted here I called myself, Brand New Inspector. I'm not as wet behind the ears now but I'm still learning new things every day. I want to thank you for your "Getting Started" column and some of your other tutorials on specific reports etc. I was better able to understand what everyone was talking about without having to ask. No one wants to look stupid. Most of the time it's just something I'm already familiar with, it just has another name in DSA speak.

I am still looking for an E&O insurance carrier. I carry E&O because I still do some commercial and residential real estate inspection. I am already spending about eight thousand dollars per year on E&O and general liability. I am doing my DSA work through a very fine agency, but the insurance question has already come up once when a school district approached me to take on a project. They wanted proof of E&O , general liability and workers comp. My E&O carrier is out of state, had never heard of DSA and was not at all interested in covering "school inspection". I know some DSA inspectors have E&O but it's no-one I know. I have asked the school district and they said they would look into it but they haven't gotten back to me. Perhaps one of the readers of ASK INSPECTOR BOB can come up with some names.

A comment on the topic of DSA exam prep classes. I think the best exam prep is to take the test. It only costs 350 dollars, and it sure lets you know what you are up against. I bought the test prep book that Kurt Gheiss and friends have written, and found it to be a helpful guide as to what areas to brush up on. I failed the code the first time by only a few points on MEP, and that was only because I didn't have all the books. I failed plans twice. I was just overwhelmed by the number of pages. I could find the answers, but it just took me too long. I enrolled in an on-line prep class for plans. I was sent two sets of half size plans of two school projects. There was a series of on-line practice tests as well, but what helped me more than anything was just getting more familiar with the layout. I knew where to find the Glue Lam schedule, or the door schedule, or the notes on compaction. I don't think the fact that I used exam prep to pass the exam makes me a lesser quality inspector as one of the earlier posters has implied. I can run rings around some of the inspectors I meet when it comes to electrical, or steel or HVAC. Some guys have much more understanding of concrete than I do. We are generalists by definition and most of us are trying to strengthen our areas of weakness. We learn from each other and from the members of the trades and professions whose work we inspect. Thanks again for the website Inspector Bob

Actually, I've addressed this same issue a couple times (below). I fail to see how having your name out there can hurt an inspector. If two or more brokers are proposing to use the same inspector...he must be a popular guy! Check out my response to October 9th post below.

Name: RESUME ABUSE
Date: 12 Oct 2007
Time: 16:27:46

QuestionorComment

BOB, about a year ago, i also put out many of my resume. Is there any negative effects to the inspector if he has resumes out there that are being used by "brokers" for RFQ. Sometimes when 2 different companies are using it when bidding on the same project.

What I am saying is that if this particular pour (without batch plant inspection) was an isolated incident and the remainder of concrete placement has all the required testing and inspection... there won't be any negative feedback unless you or the architect feel it's necessary to make an issue out of it. I assume that concrete cylinders were made and that test results will follow. I assume that you have a copy of the trip ticket and that it is signed by the weigh-master. I assume that you have an approved mix design. When a batch plant inspector is a no-show on my projects I either have the lab review all the proportions from the data sheets at the batch plant and issue a report or I call my DSA field engineer, explain that batch plant inspection was missed and ask if any additional testing will be required. I never try to hide anything and don't advise that you do either. I've never had a project not close because one inspection was missed, but I work on very large projects that generate tons of paperwork and test reports.

If this was your ONLY pour and you missed batch plant inspection I would speak with your DSA field engineer and ask if any additional testing will be necessary. Get it over with now and move on. From what I have heard from DSA reps, the requirements for batch plant inspection may be eased up in the future.

Name: batch plant inspection
Date: 10 Oct 2007
Time: 16:01:16

QuestionorComment

So, you are saying that even without batch plant inspection..we can still get close out? do we need to ( or should) submit proof or a written letter that all other test were done and approved? Architect is not sure how to proceed for close out without batch plant insp.

There's some discourse on this general topic; below July 2006. Look, you want to get your name and resume out there. Yes, it's true that brokers use resumes from qualified inspectors to secure projects without ever intending to use that inspector. That's how you figure out which brokers you want to submit a resume to...or not. Get to know the people you're planning on working with before you submit anything. Better yet, get your own contract with a school district and forget the broker.

The benefit to the broker is obvious. They use your resume to "pad" their portfolio and get the contract, then pull a "switch" and propose to use someone else that will work for less money. Or, they want to appear as if they have a roster of qualified inspectors rather than the one or two they actually work. It's not always the broker's fault. Many districts want to give contracts to businesses with resources in case they need to replace an inspector.

Name: Dewayne
Date: 09 Oct 2007
Time: 17:16:12

QuestionorComment

I was told once to be aware when giving your resume to a company or "broker". something about I should put somewhere on my resume that it can only be used if I'm to be inspector on the project. That some people will submit your resume (request for qualification) and not intend to use you on the project. Is that true? what is the benefit to them? how do i protect from things like that?

What's done is done. Obviously you're concerned about it, but nobody has the time to sort through all the test reports and compare them to delivery dates and refuse to close out the project. You and the architect know now what you're supposed to do in the future...do it. Nobody is perfect; just correct the problem and move on.

Name: batch plant inspection
Date: 09 Oct 2007
Time: 17:11:58

QuestionorComment

I seem to have missed the cont. batch plant inspection ont the T&I sheet. I looked at it on several occasions and still missed it. ITS a SOG ( 8" thk) (approx. 50 cu. yrds) with only wire mesh. the architect is having a heart attack thinking that we wont get close out from DSA. All other tests were done... cement test, test cylinders, test aggregates, approv. mix design, ALL PASSED. Any advice or past experiences with similar situation? what should we do???

I love the idea of a vacation but preparing to leave is always interesting. Look, a lot of how things are handled depends on your relationship with the DSA field engineer, the owner and/or the owner's rep. It may also depend on whether or not you have an approved assistant or a second inspector already on site. The easiest thing to do is to notify everyone including DSA of your pending vacation (give dates) and to use another inspector already on your site (no DSA 5's to deal with). Another idea is to use another inspector already in the District (with District permission) and yes, a DSA 5 should be filed. If you or the owner brings in an outside replacement they will also need to submit a DSA 5. To be honest with you, I've managed to call my DSA field engineer and speak with the owner and get permission to use another inspector working within the District without submitting a DSA 5 form. I make it clear that I will remain responsible and provide contact information for emergency contact.

The DSA 6 form should go directly to one of the DSA addresses printed at the bottom of the form. There may be times when the architect would like to handle submittal of the form to DSA. It's up to you, but you remain responsible for getting it to DSA. Copies should go to the architect and owner as a courtesy. Remember to fill out a DSA 6 before the project is complete if any structure is to be occupied.

Name: bailey
Date: 07 Sep 2007
Time: 13:41:40

QuestionorComment

what happens if as an inspector goes on a week long vacation, or get sick, or leave for any emergency? can i get another inspector to cover my job in my absence? does all the paper work have to be done? (form 5) who do i send the (form 6) at end of project? school, architect, DSA or DSA only? thank you!

I'm sorry, we've addressed the insurance issue many times (below). Check out the discussions, hopefully you'll find your answer. See 09 Jan 2007 and others. No protection from the State. You are not a State employee.

Name: Contract Administrator Melissa
Date: 07 Sep 2007
Time: 11:54:35

QuestionorComment

What insurance must a DSA Inspector legally carry for a public works job?General and auto liability, Errors and Ommisions and Workers Comp? Do DSA Inspectors have any protection of insurance from the state or must they pay for their own?

There's tons of resources to make contact with schools and school districts right on this web site. Talk to other inspectors ; their phone numbers are also on this site under DSA Certified Inspectors. Post your information on the Inspector's Bulletin Board on this site.

Name: Inspector Smith
Date: 31 Aug 2007
Time: 11:03:27

QuestionorComment

Where would I find open positions for DSA inspector?

I don't have specific information on this topic. I have seen prevailing wages listed for soils testers, concrete, steel, and masonry inspectors...but nothing that covers DSA Inspectors. The intent, as I understand it, is for workers working for contractors and subcontractors to receive prevailing wages on a prevailing wage project. It is also my experience that DSA inspectors (Class I in particular) receive well above the prevailing wage as noted for other construction inspectors. Maybe someone else can add to this topic.

Name: Contract Administrator Melissa
Date: 28 Aug 2007
Time: 09:48:11

QuestionorComment

Are DSA Inspector's paid prevailing wage?

Inspectors who pass the Class 1 test are qualified to apply for any project. Class 2 inspectors may apply for Class 2, 3 or 4 projects. Class 3 inspectors may apply for Class 3 or 4 projects. Go to DSA web site for more info.

Name: larry H.
Date: 27 Aug 2007
Time: 22:23:26

QuestionorComment

Is it possible for a class 3 to work on a class 2 as an IOR - Or a class 2 to work as a class 1 IOR? If they have worked as an assistant on class 1 projects would some field engineers allow this?

Post your qualifications and resume' in the Inspector's Bulletin Board, this web site. Ask around in the area where you want to work. Speak with facility and planning departments at school districts where you want to work and ask for some contact names and numbers. Every school district facilities department has one or two people that know the names of various inspection firms that bid on DSA inspection work in their district. Some school districts post information about contracts with inspection firms on the internet. Do a Google search "district name, DSA inspection" and see what comes up. Better yet, talk to school districts about working directly with them.

This is a very competitive field. There are no lists of DSA brokers that I know of.

Name: Eddy
Date: 20 Aug 2007
Time: 13:49:19

QuestionorComment

Hello, I have been searching for DSA brokers and they seem quite hard to find. Is there any way to find one reference that gives us a list of Brokers to apply with for jobs? Thanks very much.

The 3 foot clearance for smoke detectors at air registers comes from NFPA 72. I don't have it in front of me but will get the section for you later. The intent is to keep the detector well away from excessive air movement.

Name: tommy
Date: 17 Aug 2007
Time: 19:40:17

QuestionorComment

SMOKE DETECTOR CLEARANCE: I have also used manufacturere recs. to have detectors moved. I dont think its in the code.

Name: Nobody
Date: 17 Aug 2007
Time: 08:34:00

QuestionorComment

ANSWER TO THE SMOKE DETECTOR CLEARANCE QUESTION: I could be wrong, but I have never been able to find the 3-foot rule in a codebook. However, I have seen it in the smoke detector's manufacturer's installation instructions which is just as enforceable as code.

Serviceable electrical parts require access clearances per NEC as amended by Title 24 Electrical Code. Your condition may also need to be reviewed by the District maintenance department where you are working for required physical access clearances. It sounds like the conduit may block physical access to the skylight even if there is NEC code clearance at the pump motor once you have opened the skylight. Also, check with your project architect and/or specification for minimum access requirements.

Name: Inspector Tom
Date: 16 Aug 2007
Time: 21:28:37

QuestionorComment

I'm having trouble finding a code for an access panel clearance. In this case, a sky light will be used as an access panel to access a water pump motor. There are two three-inch conduits that run in the path of the sky light. Please let me know where I can find this code in the books.

If you go to the drop down menu for practical resources above you will find the answers to most of your questions. I have laid out information on all aspects of inspection and inspection reporting. Try "getting started".

Name: alex
Date: 16 Aug 2007
Time: 12:49:20

QuestionorComment

DSA 101 questions: what, when, why was DSA created? who gets copies of: dailys IR's (completed pass or fail) NCI's RFI's are they ALL distrirbuted to school, arch, engineer,DSA? or only some to certain people? Thanks, im starting my 1st job soon!

Name: DSA inspector dDn
Date: 15 Aug 2007
Time: 22:21:53

QuestionorComment

Hello Bob I hope that you can help. I have misplaced my copy fo the NFPA72 and believe that the answer to my question lies within. Here goes, are smoke detectors (ceiling mounted) required to have a 3 foot clearance from air supply registers? If so, please what chapter and verse? Thanks Don

Name: Inspector Joe
Date: 15 Aug 2007
Time: 16:05:15

QuestionorComment

Google smart level. Buy a 48" smart level for % of slope for ADA and 48" wide gives you POT and ramp width.

Tool for determining percentage of slope: 675 Inclo-Matic Laser Level: Checkpoint’s Pro Technology has combined together a compact billet aluminum machined body with an LCD digital inclinometer. The Inclo-Matic enhanced components make this one of the most compact, powerful and accurate inclinometer ever developed.The technology of now being able to reference architectural or structural configurations in “degrees or percent” is unprecedented in both design and function features.

Name: slope %
Date: 12 Aug 2007
Time: 13:48:20

QuestionorComment

I once saw an inspector who had a level that measured the % of a slope and gave a digital reading. I haven't been able to find any tools that will measure slope %. Can you give me some info on tools ( accuracy, cost, etc) or where to find one?

Re: Posting unauthorized parking/tow signage. As you noted below, the language in ADA states that the sign be at each entrance OR "immediately adjacent to and visible from each stall or space". You can contact ADA TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE for interpretation ...I don't have a definitive answer, but "immediately adjacent" is a defined statement (as in "directly adjacent to").

Name: john
Date: 10 Aug 2007
Time: 17:37:16

QuestionorComment

I have a parking lot with NO entry (driveway) its one big parking area. with 2 access parking stalls 1 van & 1 (side by side) each has its own sign on a poll in front of them. since there is NO definite entrance: code says a tow away sign shall be "immediately next to each sign and visible from each stall. QUESTION if signs are aprox 12-14 feet apart would you put ONE tow away sign in the middle of parking signs OR 1 next to each parking sign? what is considered immediately next to mean?

Issuing an NCI for non-conformance with manufacturer's recommendations: DSA calls for written notification of any deviance from the approved plans or specifications that is not immediately corrected by the contractor. Not following the manufacturer's recommendations (e.g. during use of Hilti HY-150 epoxy) can be a serious problem that warrants corrective action and most certainly relates back to the project specification. If the specification calls for HY-150 epoxy, it must be properly applied to be effective. The bottom-line is determining if the deviance can be related back to the plans or specification.

In your case and similar cases, the issue should go back to the contractor AND the owner because if the metal panels are a warranty item they must be installed per the mfg recommendations or the warranty will be void. I can't tell if this is a life-safety issue you have. If it is structural or a life safety issue, it would warrant a non-compliance. You can also ask the contractor to get approval from the manufacturer covering the deviation; with backup that the warranty will not be impacted.

Name: deviation
Date: 09 Aug 2007
Time: 13:06:51

QuestionorComment

can or should a deviation NCI be given if work is not being installed per manufacturer's recommendations? plans and specs don't show how to install and metal panels are being cut. Manufacturer says no cutting should be done.

I'm glad to see other inspectors answering questions. Thank you! I didn't want to be the only voice on topics as they came up.

Name: Inspector Joe
Date: 30 Jul 2007
Time: 11:20:12

QuestionorComment

Batch Plant inspection can be waived by your field engineer. Also see 1929A.5 Waiver of batch plant inspection.

Are IR's enforceable? The IR explains how DSA interprets the code. It is their interpretation of the code that is enforceable.

On missing a batch plant inspection: It happens. Additional testing can be requested by the Project Inspector (core testing, etc.). The inspector can issue a non-compliance. Your reaction depends on the scope of the project, the potential impact, whether or not the contractor has been negligent in the past or if it was an isolated event.

Name: assistant IOR
Date: 27 Jul 2007
Time: 17:53:49

QuestionorComment

2 questions: regarding question and answer about IR 11-B are IR's enforceable? i remember hearing some conversation about that? if on the T&I sheet it calls for continuous batch plant inspection.and it was missed/not done i was told it was a mistake but not that big a deal, being it was only for a slab-on-grade in a quad area for eating, with a couple of light poles ( approx. 50 cu. yards). i don't think it was taken any further than that... what if any should have been the correct actions?

Regarding rebar identification and testing; reference Part 2 of Title 24, 1929A.2 Tests of Reinforcing Bars. Physical testing (tension test and bend test) IS required even if the mill certs indicate testing was done by the mill. The frequency of physical sampling and testing is increased if the rebar is not sampled "as delivered from the mill", prior to fabrication. If you send a lab person to identify, sample and pick up test samples from the milled steel prior to breaking the bundles and fabricating, the code asks for one tension and one bend test for every 10 tons for each bar size. I interpret that to be for each heat number. The steel arrives from the mill full length. You (or the lab rep) checks each bundle of steel for manufacturers mark, bar type and grade, size and length delivered and compares it with the mill certs provided. If the certs match the physical markings and lengths, two samples are taken to the lab for testing with a copy of the mill certs attached. Sample length for testing is determined by the testing lab equipment. You continue to do this for each bar size, for each heat number. If the bar has a "T" (Tamco) and the mill cert is Cascade you have the wrong mill cert. Is the bar grade 60?Is the bar an "S" type (supplementary type ASTM A615), "N" (new billet)? Also, use the 'as-delivered' bar length as a key. If the mill cert says 8 foot lengths and the mill bundle you're looking at is 16 foot lengths, they've given you the wrong mill cert.

You need to go online http://www.crsi.org/rebar/index.html. Check out these links for some rebar producer marks http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/CONSTRUCTION/QPL/Docs/Rebar.pdf or http://www.dot.state.il.us/materials/rebarguide.pdf There's more info out there for free.

If the rebar is identified during or after fabrication; the sampling and testing rate goes up to every 2 1/2 tons for each size of rebar. The bar, at this point, cannot be "positively identified" because the mill lengths have been cut without transfer of heat numbers.

Name: Inspector Joe
Date: 27 Jul 2007
Time: 16:03:23

QuestionorComment

Some structural steel suppliers forward "mill certs" with materials in lieu of destructive testing. What information is provided by mill certs and how do you determine the mill certs match the materials?

You're not going to like my answer but I keep seeing questions come up that would imply that the inspector is supposed to review and approve products incorporated into a project. All products; structural, mechanical, electrical, access compliance, to be incorporated into a project should be submitted at project start up to the architect for review and approval. These products should comply with the contract specification, approved plans and codes. The inspector should make sure that the product installed is the product approved by the consultant(s) in the submittal process. If there are potential code issues with the product, the inspector can request clarification and/or additional information from the design professional prior to installation. If the product installed does not match the submittal, issue a letter of non-compliance based on use of an unapproved substitution.

That being said, look at Diagram 44 (truncated domes) in California version of ADA (1995). It gives all views and dimensions. Look at Pat B-DSA/AC-Chapter 4 "DETECTABLE WARNINGS". Colors, contrasting color, texture...it's all in the ADA book. The submittal should contain all approval listings (ADA, U.S. Access Board, etc) on the product data sheet. All you have to do is to make sure it's the specified product and that the data you require is on the product data sheet. As the Project Inspector observing that the installation conforms with the architect's details or manufacturers recommendations, you are, in fact, an "independent entity".

The accepted federal standard is a truncated (shortened or flattened dome). It is rounded on the sides.

Name: IR-11B4
Date: 22 Jul 2007
Time: 19:24:45

QuestionorComment

bob, I'm reading IR - 11B4 and need some clarification: there is a ramp on my job and they put in detectable warning with rounded domes vs truncated (my interp= flat pyramid) right? I have read that there needs to be some markings on the material = DSA approval, etc.. is that true? where would I find these markings? code mentions approved DSA detectable warning products shall be installed and evaluated by an independent entity. it references (CCR) title 24. is there a way to find a list of approved materials or manufacturers? so i need to verify the material installed is approved by DSA or are all yellow detectable warning pads the same????

No matter how I answered this question, you must conform with the requests of the Project Inspector or file a complaint and see what happens. I don't have the contract specification, the general notes on the approved plans or the DSA Structural Tests and Inspection sheet to make an assessment of what is required to be tested on your project, nor would I select to over-ride the decision of another Project Inspector that DOES have access to that information. The inspector has the right to call for additional testing and/or inspection as deemed necessary to facilitate his/her duties and assure compliance with the code....

Name: willing to learn
Date: 19 Jul 2007
Time: 14:28:06

QuestionorComment

im a contractor and had an argument/discussion with the IOR on my job.... we had to wait 20 min for a conc tech to show up and take test cylinders for our concrete pour = S.O.G 4" thick, no rebar just wire mesh, only used for eating area and some tables. Were test cyls needed? i though only for structural elements- columns, walls, etc????

Prior to, and during the course of performing inspection, a project inspector may, in fact, be consulting to the owner by making them aware of potential inspection costs, inspection and testing requirements, issues of non-compliance, or changes in scope or specified manufactured products. When closing a project out, the architect may ask for advice on closing out DSA mandated paperwork for special inspection and testing. Even if your only input is to guide them to the approved testing lab, you are consulting. I don't think that the use of "consulting" is that misleading.

Concrete mix designs get submitted to the architect prior to use and must be approved by the structural engineer for specific structural applications. Some contract specifications call for a history of using a specific design mix on similar projects to be provided as backup during the approval process. Watch out....on a small project, an engineer might approve a mix design that does not comply with DSA requirements for aggregate size, etc. An example would be a job I was on where a pea gravel mix was approved for the footings. DSA came by the site and rejected use of the mix (I had contacted DSA to ask them about it ahead of time).

Name: so. cal.
Date: 13 Jul 2007
Time: 13:48:53

QuestionorComment

bob. i have heard an inspector describe his co. as an inspection/ consulting service. he only does dsa inspections. is that misleading or wrong? just curious. also what is the process for a concrete mix design...does that lab have to approve it or DSA , structural engineer WHO? thanks.

Name: bear
Date: 06 Jul 2007
Time: 21:51:28

QuestionorComment

comment re: # of jobs per inspector... thanks for the clarification, I'm not going any where with it. I'm only a class 3, but have heard of inspectors working more than one job. just curious. Bob, thanks again for the answers you give on this site VERY HELPFULL! I tell anyone & everyone i can about this site and it's resources

Use the link to DSA web site provided on this page (top scroll menu). Go to Inspector program and download IR A-7 and IR A-8. Although they do not specifically address your question they do clarify the inspector's responsibility. A Project Inspector may not utilize more than 3 assistants at any one time. This quote may explain why DSA typically limits the amount of projects the P.I. can inspect to three. However, approval is project to project. The P.I. must disclose other projects that are ongoing, their status and amount of time required away from the new project when filing the DSA 5 form. It is then up to DSA to decide if they will approve you as the P.I. Obviously having a P.I. manage 3 large projects would be questionable if not impossible. But what about three small projects that are on the same campus? In this case, with DSA approval, it is possible to bill 12 hour days IF your contract with the District allows you to bill a four hour minimum for each project. There are many scenarios where it is possible to bill over 8 hours/day. Is it ethical? Again, it's dependent on the scope of the projects and your billing arrangements and relationship with the District and DSA. The word I'm getting from DSA is that they will no longer allow a P.I. to acquire a project and let an assistant manage the inspection; that the P.I. must be present and personally responsible for the project inspection.

Name: bear
Date: 06 Jul 2007
Time: 13:54:28

QuestionorComment

i often hear of inspectors working and billing more than one job. often 3 jobs at one time is there a limit on how many jobs you can bill? are some people getting paid 8-12 hours per day?

Refers to July 1, 2006 and January 3, 2007 comments made below

Name: Academy Cadet
Date: 05 Jul 2007
Time: 14:52:54

QuestionorComment

Comment: After reading all of the previous posts, I felt it necessary to comment on this idea of using the online training programs as somehow "unfair" or "cheating." I want to defend those of us who chose to utilize on of these programs. Let me ask you this DSA Project Inspector, even after all your years of experience in the school construction industry and paying your dues and learning things the "right way," can you honestly say that you signed up for the DSA exam and passed it cold without having a clue what the test was going to be like? To me, there is nothing wrong with paying for exam preparation training. It's not like they're selling you the test and the answers. They're trying to show you how the test is focused and what type of questions will be asked. The bottom line is that if you don't know the code, you are not going to pass that test. I am very knowlegable in all of the California codes, I have all of the standard certifications that a municipal building inspector should have. However, I will admit that the test was very difficult, the questions were intentionally tricky - I wouldn't call them unfair - but they weren't always clear. So I figured I could pay the $350 and take the test cold - if I failed at least I would've been prepared for the next time and then I would've paid another $350 and hopefully pass. Instead I paid for the training and was able to pass the first time - not because I was told the answers, but because I was told about the nature of the test. I knew to focus on structural and administration rather than wasting my time on mech, elec and plumb. I agree with your point about pilots or doctors who took the easy way to their licensing, but from my point of view, I would be an idiot to hinder my own earning potential just because I thought it would be more noble to do it the long and hard way. I'm going to do what's best for ME, that's right, ME. So maybe you're just preaching to wrong crowd here. If you're that concerned about it, why don't you petition DSA to CHANGE THE TEST. There's a novel idea, huh? Or why don't you advocate to the people doing the hiring that they should "weed out" guys that cheated by taking one of these classes? But instead you tell people that are inquiring about DSA exam training that these sources shouldn't be considered a "legitimate form of training" or something to that effect (forgive me for misquoting). The fact of the matter is that YOU don't feel that it's legitimate, but it may help those that are asking and that should be their choice like Bob suggests. And just to show you that I am not affiliated with the program I used, I was very upset and unsatisfied for what I paid $400 for. Like I said, I know the codes well and some of these sample questions were clearly marked with incorrect answers and almost every code section was completely wrong. Not to mention the online software was garbage. I soon realized that the study material was based on an older version of the California Building Code and that's why some things and code sections had changed. I wasn't too happy for paying for outdated incorrect information. I feel for those that don't know the code well enough to figure out that they were paying for outdated garbage. But it was useful in preparing me for how the test would be set up and for that reason it was worth the dough. Oh and one more thing, just because you pay for the study guide doesn't mean you'll pass, but better yet, without "real" experience, you won't even qualify to take the test or at least you won't be a Class 1, so that's got to be worth something to you.

Some projects don't ask for ANY proof of insurance. Some ask for everything under the sun. Basically you must pay to play if it is required by the District hiring you. Sometimes you can make special arrangements. It all comes back to everyone protecting themselves because of excessive law suits. Common sense may not apply.

Name: Steve
Date: 05 Jul 2007
Time: 09:00:28

QuestionorComment

Regarding insurance - I have read the previous discussions on the subject of insurance requirements and I have a question that someone else also asked previously. I wasn't able to find an answer. Here was his question: As for the $1M auto policy - why should the inspector be required to provide more coverage than anyone else who uses the public parking lot? I'm wondering the same thing. Unless your vehicle was actually used on the job site as part of your work, why would you need auto insurance. Do school boards require that their other employees carry that kind of insurance? It seems to me that you would just drive to work and park your vehicle like everybody else.

I hold onto copies of all documents created by myself including meeting minute notes and responses to my transmittals. I box them and put them into storage. Each time you submit for payment and as dictated by the District, you will send copies of daily reports and semi-monthly reports to the District or their representative and DSA. Semi-Monthly reports also go to the architect. What I'm saying is, everyone in the loop should already have copies of everything as the project progresses (including meeting minutes but not your notes, RFI, etc.). Just box them up and take them with you. If someone wants copies for any reason, including legal, have them hire a repro firm to make the copies at your convenience. I do leave all my marked up drawings with RFI posted with the District for reference.

Information on testing of High Strength Bolts IS in the book I referenced; ASD Steel Construction, Part 5 pages 5-263 to 5-307, paragraph 8 (Installation and Tightening) and 9. Title 24, Chapter 22A, Section 2231A.2 says that HS bolts, nuts and washers shall be sampled and tested for conformance (to applicable ASTM standards and Title 24 Divisions in Chapter 22). The ICC and UBC reference the AISC/ASD. A minimum number for testing is usually 3 assemblies and may come from an ASTM standard (?).

QuestionorComment

i work with student from previous question. what is done with the print you have from old jobs, who gets them? school, architect... also we looked in the suggested books and cant find what tests are done on H.S bolts? are there diff books for City bldg inspectors and DSA

SORRY: Just Got back from 2 weeks out of town: Good thoughts on DSA notification of project-start-up. An email or fax would be a good record. Because I know most of the DSA field engineers I have not had to resort to this, but you are correct.

Name: comment
Date: 28 Jun 2007
Time: 19:33:37

QuestionorComment

comment about question Re; DSA notification... bob should have elaborated on the answer. you should always try and use some kind of notification that can be filed in your own files or kept on your computer example = fax, email.. you can't prove a phone call if it comes down to it.

Sorry for the delay, just got back into town. I'm afraid I'll need your question to be centered on a specific topic re: plaster board ceiling type. This is a big subject and not only involves code requirements but engineered details specific to the project you are on. Your best bet is to review Chapter 25 in Title 24. Read the text for horizontal assemblies and the tables at the rear of the chapter. If you are talking about drywall ceilings you will also want to review DSA IR M-4 (available online at DSA free).

Name: uche
Date: 22 Jun 2007
Time: 11:52:22

QuestionorComment

what are the basic requirement of a plaster board ceiling type?

A307 bolts are mild steel machine bolts. Refer to the ICC code book and the ASD Steel Construction Manual. A325 and A490 High Strength bolts are covered in detail in the ASD Steel Construction Manual Part 5 (Specifications and Codes). High Strength bolts have specific markings, sampling, physical testing and site inspection requirements all of which is covered in the manual.

Anything that is part of the structural system (foundation, columns, bearing walls, decks, roof, etc) is a structural element. This includes all the things that go into each component, such as rebar in a concrete slab...if the slab is part of a structure or supporting a load. Exterior flatwork details for concrete may be detailed on the Civil or architectural drawings and not be structural...check to see where the details are on the drawings. Is the slab handling a traffic load or is it for decoration? Many factors come into play but you can always check with your architect or DSA field engineer for clarification.

Name: code student
Date: 20 Jun 2007
Time: 15:16:32

QuestionorComment

i have a set of prints for my class and on them I see a note: installation of all high strength bolts shall be inspected by a special inspector. I also see some bolts identified as A307. Q= why is a spec. inspector needed and what testing does he do? Is A307 the high strength bolt and how would I know which others are high strength? Q = is rebar in a slab considered a structural member/element? thanks!

See January 2007 discussion on insurance coverage below. Requirements for filing a fictitious business name (DBA) and acquiring business licenses is dependent on many factors which I'll side-step at this time except to say that I have a DBA name with a checking account in that name so I can deposit checks from the district that is paying me for the work I perform. Theoretically you could just get hired under your own name and deposit checks in your personal checking account. Maybe someone else could offer information on business licenses. Are you setting up shop in your home? Will you be doing business from your home office? If you're not going to be doing business from your home you may or may not be required to acquire a business license in the city where you will be doing DSA school inspection. This has not been an issue with me...

Name: Brand New
Date: 15 Jun 2007
Time: 17:58:07

QuestionorComment

Hi Bob, thanks for this great resource! My questions are regarding forming a business entity in order to do DSA project inspection. Here is what I know so far: I will be a sole prop rioter with no employees, so that means I don't need a Federal EIN or a local sellers permit. I will file a fictitious business name statement in my county and will get a business license from my city of residence. Question 1: I read that the fict. bus. statement must list a physical address, no PO box, so I have no choice but to use my home address. Does this mean I need a business license from the city in which I live? The fact is that I probably won't actually be doing business in my own city. I have a po box in an unincorporated town in the county and plan to use that as my business mailing address. Question 2: When I do get a contract with a school district, do I need to obtain a business license from the city and/or county where the school is located? Question 3: If I get a job in the next county over, do I need to file a new Fict, bus. statement in that county? Other than those few licenses and being DSA certified obviously, is there anything else I'm overlooking in order to form a basic legal business entity to do DSA work? How about insurance? Thanks much Bob and anyone else who replies!

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 11 Jun 2007
Time: 14:42:44

QuestionorComment

To Ralph G. I assume you're speaking to the June 1st question below about project start up and notifying the DSA field engineer. A phone call to the DSA field engineer placed 48 hours in advance will usually do the trick.

Name: ralph G.
Date: 10 Jun 2007
Time: 11:26:40

QuestionorComment

Comment for "startin up" im a city inspector in Ventura county an we use the CBC also. I have read the suggested sections from BOB and looks to me that you need to notify DSA when project starts, does not state specific time (example. 48 hours prior to concrete pour). it doesnt look like there is s form for start of project, so im guessing a phone call will work? (who do you call? i dont know) im sure if im wrong someone will correct my answer and give the right one. hope i helped a bit.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 08 Jun 2007
Time: 15:16:45

QuestionorComment

Is the project continuing under the same application number or is it a separate A#? If you're in the middle of a project and your inspector is departing, he/she must fill out a DSA 6 form indicating percentages of completion and work remaining. The new inspector must submit a DSA 5 form and get it approved for the project by the design professionals, the District and DSA. It may help to meet with your DSA field engineer to discuss the transition plan but no work should proceed without an approved DSA inspector on site. Check that there is continuity, that files, certs, inspection records, test records are carried over to the new inspector's files. The process is not difficult but demands attention to detail and avoiding being complacent about the requirements.

Name: Dayna Ramirez
Date: 06 Jun 2007
Time: 15:17:20

QuestionorComment

On our continuing project from summer 06; our inspector is no longer available, what is process in changing IOR's?

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 05 Jun 2007
Time: 15:35:08

QuestionorComment

Check your Tests and Inspections sheet (T&I sheet) that DSA issues to the architect for each project. 1929A.6 allows waiver of testing (for one story buildings under certain conditions) by the engineer, if approved by DSA. The back section of Chapter 19A in Title 24, 1929A.2 'Tests of Reinforcing Bars' calls for one tensile and one bend test for each 10 tons for each size of rebar when the bars are checked upon delivery from the mill to the fabricator. You can also do random sampling after-the-fact and ID the bar yourself using mill certs and product ID information but one bend test and one tensile test will be required for each 2 1/2 tons. Maintain copy of the mill certs. If you identify and sample the bar, call the lab and ask what lengths they need for testing. Bundle the samples with the mill certs and your project ID. Call the lab for pickup. Remember, your contract specification can ask for testing that goes beyond code requirements, so check your drawing notes and specification. Follow up on the test results. It's better to get this done before placement and it's actually simple to do. Just do it ...unless you have a waiver approved.

Name: starting up
Date: 05 Jun 2007
Time: 10:05:34

QuestionorComment

bob, i have read the getting started portion and have a question. does all rebar need to be tested? even for something like a small slab do we still call a test lab?

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 03 Jun 2007
Time: 11:14:51

QuestionorComment

The answer(s) to the last two questions can be answered by going to the "Resources" menu on this site, click DSA Web Site. Click Inspector Program on the left of DSA web page. Download IR A-8. It tells you that Title 24 Part 1 is "administrative" and that it contains information on inspector duties. Part 2 (volumes 1, 2, and 3) is the California building code . Currently, it contains U.B.C. code and California amendments to that code. All this information and more is in IR A-8 and it's free. In the same IR, look under the heading "Communications Required of the Inspector". It indicates when to notify DSA at project start-up. The DSA form DSA-111, Start of Project Report (DSA web site, click on "Forms), is to be issued to DSA and the architect or design professional for your project prior to start of construction..."IF" you (the Project Inspector) are going to utilize an Assistant Inspector. Lastly, use this site, click on "Getting Started" in our Practical Information menu.

Name: starting up
Date: 01 Jun 2007
Time: 15:34:56

QuestionorComment

who files the start of construction form and sends it to DSA in Sac. or just to the regional office (field engineer). how far in advance does it need to be filed, I hope its not too dumb of a question, im just starting up and have plenty of questions.

Name: omen
Date: 01 Jun 2007
Time: 15:30:24

QuestionorComment

what is the difference between vol 1 and 2 of the CBC. What exactly is title 24... is that referring to the whole CBC

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 03 May 2007
Time: 21:02:11

Question or Comment

Gadget's Question: Who do you submit your DSA 5 form to? It depends on the chain-of-command on you project. Some projects are set up so everything goes through the contract management team. Ultimately 4 or 5 wet-signature copies go to the architect. The architect will forward them to the engineer and either or both may set up an interview before forwarding them to DSA. Bottom line is, once it's out of your hands you simply wait for it's return. Ask about its progress...sometimes they get misplaced and never make it to DSA. I've been on my new job three months and still don't have my form 5 back from DSA. I know that the District, the architect and the engineer have approved me verbally. I also know my DSA field engineer and that he approves my being the PI. I ask about the forms every time we have a project meeting. I also keep extra unsigned copies ready to go if the originals somehow disappear. Could you get in trouble starting a job without a fully executed form 5? I suppose it could cause problems if the engineer or DSA didn't approve you. That's why it's important to speak with and meet ALL the team members (the District, architect, engineer, and DSA field engineer) before and on the first day you start a new project. DSA recommends we arrange to personally deliver our DSA 5 form to the architect, engineer, etc. so that we can meet with all the team members and make sure the form is filled out correctly.

Name: gadget
Date: 01 May 2007
Time: 16:48:43

Question or Comment

bob thanks for the insite. about the form 5 after the inspecotr fills it out, who does he send it to next? who9 submits it to DSA? is there a site to find work in ventura/oxnard/thousand oaks area?

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 28 Apr 2007
Time: 19:29:53

Question or Comment

Gadget: Knock on the door of District offices in your work area. Ask Facilities person what projects (if any) are coming up. Submit a resume and business contact information. If you get called in for an interview be prepared to sell them on your skills. Be prepared to submit a proposal (list hourly fees and services you propose to provide). If you get called back you will need to submit a contract (fees and services) and a DSA Form 5. The Form 5 must be approved and signed by the District, the Architect, the Engineer and (lastly) DSA. All DSA forms are available free online at DSA web site. You may want to start out assisting another Project Inspector before you take off on your own.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 27 Apr 2007
Time: 18:16:07

Question or Comment

First Hector: Yes, the site is for DSA inspectors and related testing and inspections. My personal knowledge base is limited to my certifications and experience but includes AWS CWI and ICC welding and structural steel, NDT Level III ultrasound and magnetic particle testing, ground penetrating radar testing (GPR), ICC concrete, DSA Class 1. I let my OSHPD Class A expire (accidently!).

Name: gadget
Date: 27 Apr 2007
Time: 15:10:33

Question or Comment

new class 3 with questions hope you or other insp can help answer. 1) how do i sign contr with school dist do i supply my own or do they have one for me? after signing how do i get appr from DSA to work on job? what forms and who files them? any other help in this area would be great. 2) DSA only in Ca. or can one get a job in arizona new york hawaii etc. 3 )currantly any work in santa barbara or surrounding areas.. ventura, oxnard thousand oaks? how do find it? THANKS this is a great site for all not only for beginners like myself.

Name: hector
Date: 27 Apr 2007
Time: 15:04:16

Question or Comment

is this forum for DSA only?

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 27 Apr 2007
Time: 14:15:36

Question or Comment

Thanks for letting me know there was a problem with posting comments on this page. I hope it's working OK now. I have to keep changing parameters to avoid spammers from posting garbage. Sincerely, Inspector Bob

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 11 Apr 2007
Time: 10:04:07

Question or Comment

It's been some time since I posted on the site. I'm in punch-list on an 18 million dollar project and gearing up to begin a 77 million dollar project. I have NOT done the one thing I promised to do; contact all the school districts and ask them to post Request for Quotes (RFQ) for inspection when they're looking for inspectors. That's the final step in making this site work and I will get it done. I have run into inspectors that have posted availability on this site and subsequently been interviewed for Project Inspector positions. This happened to me yesterday in Orange County at a job interview.

I've updated some links that were broken. There are new Interpretation of Regulations available for free from DSA (click on Code Books and References in the "Resource" scroll-down menu above, then click on the "DSA Publications" link). These cover a wide variety of code topics and offer additional information and interpretation on code sections.

The law-suit thing seems to be on the upswing. I received a subpoena last week, requesting that I provide copy of all my records. When this happens, you don't have to give up your records to a stranger. You can request that they bring portable scanning/copy equipment to your site trailer and make copies in front of you. If you do turn over documents to a document repro company make sure you have them sign for the documents before turning them over and make sure you know what you're turning over. Are we required to make copies at our own expense? Copies of my daily reports and semi-monthly reports are sent with my billing to the District on a regular basis. I email or fax copy to the architect (semi-monthly, Project Inspector Transmittals, Notice of Non-Compliance) and project management team (daily, semi-monthly, Project Inspector Transmittals, Notice of Non-Compliance). If they fail to maintain these records and request additional copy it should be on their dime and their time.

I'm having some interesting requests made by CM firms. It seems they think Project Inspectors are available to do their work for them. DSA field engineers constantly remind me that we are NOT to take direction from the CM or PM firms. The CM line of defense is "you are employed by the District and we represent the District". My line of defense is contained in IR A-8 and Title 24, Part 1. The Project Inspector acts under the direction of the design professional in charge and is subject to supervision by DSA. I don't see any directive that we are to take directions from the CM, the PM or the District. OK, each District may have their own reporting and information distribution system, but they are not supposed to direct our activities. That's my take on it anyway.

Name: Just an Inspector
Date: 10 Jan 2007
Time: 22:12:12

Question or Comment

Errors and Omissions insurance is not necessarily about errors or omissions - as I understand all that I have read and discussed with my agent about E & O is, it covers your legal fees in the event you are sued along with all parties on any construction project that winds up in court. Whether or not you made a mistake, you are still on the hook for your legal fees. Most lawsuits are brought against everyone involved and the one with the deepest pockets wins, or loses, depending on your point of view. As for the $1M auto policy - why should the inspector be required to provide more coverage than anyone else who uses the public parking lot?

Name: Class One
Date: 10 Jan 2007
Time: 17:31:01

Question or Comment

Errors and Omissions insurance is generally required for designers not inspectors. Inspectors observe and report, that's it. If a district requires E&O then either pass or add it to your fee. CBC 4-342 and Ed Code both mandate that the project inspector SHALL act under the direction of the architect or registered engineer. Boom, there you have it. Why on earth would an inspector who is directed by others be required to carry E&O????? With this in mind, don't you think the insurance company would be advised by their legal advisors NOT to pay damages because the architect or registered engineer's insurance should be the responsible party. I seriously doubt that any E&O policy would actually pay. They'll gladly take your money so buyer beware. Don't be fooled into wasting your money on E&O. All you should carry minimum is a $1M auto and $1M General Liabilty policy. You need nothing beyond this. Just my two cents worth.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 09 Jan 2007
Time: 22:42:12

Question or Comment

Insurance. There's been some discussion on this in earlier postings on this site. Your insurance needs depend on your client's requirements (does the District contracting your services require 1 Mil $ auto insurance, liability, E&O?) The next thing to consider is what coverage can you afford and what do you require to make YOU feel secure? The last thing to consider is what assets you are protecting in case of a suit. My personal take on insurance is that the best insurance is to know what you're doing and to do it well so you don't end up in a lawsuit. But...I'm being forced like everyone else to get all the coverage. If you check around, there are some reasonable rates based on an engineering/consultant classification AND the amount of money you will make (the more earnings you project, the more you will pay for your coverage). How much liability is there on a small school project? Let's say you approve the sign post footing and the sign falls over onto a woman getting out of her car. The school discovers that the footing, as constructed, was not the detailed size or depth...you can see where I'm going with this.

Name: Brand new inspector
Date: 09 Jan 2007
Time: 17:37:03

Question or Comment

I got the news today in the mail. I am now a class 3 DSA inspector. The school district has some small jobs coming up soon but I need to find out more about insurance before I jump into this. I currently do some design work and some commercial and residential inspection for sales transactions. I contacted my current E & O Insurance carrier and they are not familiar with DSA type work and are unsure as to whether they will be able to cover this. I understand that the inspector agencies have insurance for those who work under their umbrella. What about individuals? What is the liability when you work directly for the school district for one afternoon while they pour concrete for a sign?

Name: Class One
Date: 08 Jan 2007
Time: 20:02:47

Question or Comment

I always ask special inspectors before they work on my projects if they used a test taking class to pass the exam. A yes gets them disqualified.

Name: DSA Project Inspector
Date: 07 Jan 2007
Time: 20:46:27

Question or Comment

Actually it was George Bush Sr who said, "Read my lips, no more taxes". That being said, I will set the record straight by saying that I am against teaching people how to take any test because with the number of people with limited and even no experience taking these courses, passing the test and eventually considering themselves our peers only hurts the credibility of those of us who have earned our certification. I’ve heard many examinees say the test is too hard, it’s complicated. How can these people be expected to properly document a complicated project if they can’t even follow simple instructions on an exam? Would you have an attorney represent you, fly with a pilot or be diagnosed by a physician who had embellished their applications and gained their licenses by taking shortcuts? Of course not. Building owners rely on inspectors with many years of experience to assure them that the quality and integrity of the approved documents is there. The children whose very lives depend on well experienced professional inspectors are being forsaken because too many inspectors have already taken shortcuts to become inspectors and fake their way through a project. Bob, our industry's integrity and credibilty is being eroded by test taking classes, nepotism and cheats. There's nothing that can be done because as long as people condone this, by steering other people to the shortcuts, inspection may be soon be a thing of the past.

Name: DSA Class 2 PROJECT INSPECTOR
Date: 06 Jan 2007
Time: 11:11:19

Question or Comment

I have taken two course's from Gary Larson and was completely satisfied with both of them and passed the exam on both with ample time to spare and had no problems with the test on either one . At that time , no course was available for DSA Masonry so I had to learn it all by myself ( I have been a DSA Masonry Inspector for more than 5 years ). At that time the test was given by the DSA Field Engineer and was a closed book test !!! I can tell you from personal experience that Gary Larson provides course's that are well worth whatever he charges for them, and I would have paid twice the price if a course had been available !! Just wanted to set the record straight .

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 04 Jan 2007
Time: 16:16:33

Question or Comment

You always put a smile on my face. Like Arnold says "Read my lips". My response was "I cannot recommend any specific training location".... Let's give Joe a chance to decide for himself if it's what he's looking for. Maybe he'll agree with you. We appreciate your comment. P.S., Do you have any recommendations for Joe that might work for him?

Name: DSA Project Inspector
Date: 03 Jan 2007
Time: 19:15:26

Question or Comment

Inspector Bob: Why do you endorse these two sites? They're both a waste of money.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 03 Jan 2007
Time: 11:01:30

Question or Comment

Dear Joe: I cannot recommend any specific training location for DSA masonry inspection but try these links and see what you think. http://www.larseninspectiontraining.com or http://www.inspectoracademy.com/courses.html

Name: inspector joe
Date: 02 Jan 2007
Time: 21:43:25

Question or Comment

I recently resubmitted my application for my D.S.A. Masonry, which was approved in 2004 but I never went to take the test. I would like to know if there is any other schools around to take D.S.A. classes. Friedman school in Los Angeles no longer has classes. I live in Lancaster, Ca. any information would be helpful thank you. ...Joe (Smith-Emery Inspector)

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 27 Dec 2006
Time: 14:20:03

Question or Comment

Just starting a new project in Los Angeles. Did a solid review of the soils report knowing "it's only as good as what it's built on" prior to digging 30' piles. The out the top 7 feet of our site soil was noted as "undocumented fill". I brought out the soils engineer to look at the soil and to review the implications of undocumented fill. Basically, its fill that was put in without any testing or observation. I noted a lot of debris and oversize rock when some sewer trenching was begun. The contractor must now revise his scheduled tasks, remove the soil, remove debris and oversize rock, and recompact the soil with full observation and testing provided by the testing lab.

Name: DSA Project Inspector
Date: 27 Nov 2006
Time: 22:52:58

Question or Comment

Inspectors Bob & Rico: In many cases the detail sheet of the approved reflected ceiling plans and specifications will contain such information. Ironically I am on a project that has a condition described by Rico and my detail illustrates that anything 48" and longer require two 1 1/2" cold rolled channels bolted back to back. Don't put yourself in a position that your Field Engineer finds a detail you could not, that would be embarrassing. Good luck.

Name: Inspector Bob (Again)
Date: 27 Nov 2006
Time: 21:23:41

Question or Comment

This topic of inspector's engineering elements of construction is an interesting one. It seems to come up all the time. Why should an inspector put himself in a position of liability? You may notice that some engineers are extremely conservative and like to factor in a large margin of safety. Often enough their details will exceed the minimum code requirements. For an inspector to approve a horizontal support mechanism based on interpretations of the code or product literature is, in my opinion, not a wise move. Let's let the architect design, the engineer "engineer", and the inspector "inspect". Ask for a detail.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 27 Nov 2006
Time: 21:16:10

Question or Comment

Dear Inspector Rico. I normally like to research my answers. Right now I'm moving from one District to L.A. and don't have time. Regarding the cold rolled channel. It was a DSA field rep that first told me to use cold rolled channel to bridge underneath HVAC duct to allow hanger wire support at t-bar grid where unable to connect wires directly to structure. He also asked me to get an approved detail from the engineer. The off-the-cuff answer to your question is that cold rolled channel is an acceptable means of bridging for t-bar hanger wires but that the size and splice laps (if required) should be detailed by the engineer, not the inspector. I'm not sure why you'd have to splice the channel...it's available in long lengths and I'm assuming you're only using it at isolated areas?

Name: Inspector Rico
Date: 22 Nov 2006
Time: 16:42:57

Question or Comment

When making a trapeze for a 12 gauge ceiling wire is it okay to use 1 1/2 cold rolled channel. At what length should the channel be doubled up.

Name: DSA Project Inspector
Date: 21 Nov 2006
Time: 18:27:50

Question or Comment

Sorry Bob, it wasn't fair to ask that question. As for CM's, they will be the victims of their own greed. Look around, they hire unqualified people with no construction experience, charge up the wazoo (8%+) for their fees and rarely keep the schedule. Because they don't have to. The main problem is the facilities directors who have little construction experience collaborate with CM's to embellish the truth about construction progress to the district boards who know even less and blindly congratulate each other for being masters of the universe. The tax payers get reamed by yet another bond to cover the losses of the precious and the entire process repeats itself. There are no checks and balances.

Name: inspector dan
Date: 21 Nov 2006
Time: 10:40:18

Question or Comment

I am a cwi and have been doing shop weld inspection for the fabrication of steel assy"s for a california school. I was getting prevailing wage , but because of a dispute between the dsa controller and my company I was told we no longer get prevailing wage. Is this legal,and what can I do.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 11/04/06
Date: 04 Nov 2006
Time: 10:07:11

Dear ike m....In response to your question below, my focus over the past 16 to 17 years has been major school construction in L.A and Orange County. I started in 1980 (NDT, welding, steel fab and erection and concrete) doing major high-rise projects in Los Angeles, petro-chemical, universities, and hospitals. leading to OSHPD A and DSA 1 certifications. I accumulated 10 certifications before I tested for OSHPD and DSA certifications. None of this means that I know what I'm doing....I'm just doing the best I can and count on my experience to help guide me through each day. I hope this helps you.

Name: ike m
Date: 11/03/06
Date: 03 Nov 2006
Time: 11:27:07
Question or Comment

What counties of California have you worked for. How long have you been an inspector?

Name: inspector gadget
Date: 10/31/06
Date: 31 Oct 2006
Time: 16:43:34
Question or Comment

Comment: from what I have read and understand, prop. 1D is a definite yes vote. It will eliminate DSA, but not the Field Act. As inspectors we are concerned with the Field Act.

Name: Inspector Bob
Date: 10/28/06
Date: 28 Oct 2006
Time: 14:32:17

Comment

Dear Inspector Lady. There are links on this site to DSA as well as an on-line service that claims to provide training programs on-line. Use the "Resource" scroll-down menu above to access these links. There is also a link to books under "Code Books and References". My personal approach would be to purchase, read and comprehend the applicable Title 24 codes and referenced codes and standards (e.g. NEC, SMACNA, Uniform Plumbing Code, etc.). There are also workbooks that go along with code books and can assist you in code comprehension for HVAC, Electrical, framing and other areas of inspection. These workbooks are used by electricians and other trades people to help them pass required exams. You also need to get a hold of drawings and specifications for some project and start practicing interpretation of contract drawings and documents. At the same time, use the links ("DSA Web Site") above to go to DSA and educate yourself on the different levels of certification offered by DSA. DSA also has seminars that are beneficial to inspectors and/ or prospective inspectors. I don't know what your background is. The best school to attend is the "school of experience". Many DSA inspectors begin as special inspectors or City Inspectors. Over time they are able to get exposure to all the various construction trades and expand their knowledge base. Check out links to the ICC (International Code Council) which certifies inspectors in many categories, including those you mentioned. These are NOT DSA certifications but good prerequisites to DSA certification. I would not enter the DSA inspection field without a solid background in the categories you wish to inspect. There is a lot of liability that goes with the job and you must have experience. Experience as a contractor or superintendent is also good pre-qualification.

If you do get your certification, check out the Practical Information menu above and select "Getting Started". Good luck!

Name: Inspector Lady
Date: 10/27/06
Date: 27 Oct 2006
Time: 12:20:25

Question or Comment

I am very interested in becoming an inspector in California. Do you have any recommendations for any schools that I can attend or do at home? I'm interested in construction, electrical, framing and HVAC inspecting mostly.

18 Oct 2006
07:39:07

Has anyone here seen Monday's LA Times story showing where hidden in the
depths of Proposition 1D is the clause that removes Community Colleges from the
Field Act? At first glance this $10B bond looks great to school inspectors however
it is the end of inspections at the CC level. Not good. Vote NO on Prop 1D. There
will always be more bonds on the way, this is one we should all pass on.

Inspector Bob, I concur with your response. It is unfortunate that a naive inspector falls prey to the paycheck against their better judgement. This was definetely a train wreck in the making. Like Kenny Rogers song goes, "You got to know when to fold up and walk away".

INSPECTOR DSA LOCK: When you say, "We inspectors like to work" will more than likely be considered a poor excuse for a defense. Your certificate, the Admin Code and Ed Code (California Law) clearly state that the inspector shall be approved prior to start of construction. Just because the district hired you means nothing. I feel for you but then that's the risk one takes when trying to 'please' the district. The district (advised by the CM) will use the inspector as a pawn in cases such as these to justify their flagrant violation of the law (Ed Code 17307). I hope you can weather the storm or better yet, avoid it. Inspectors must exercise restraint when being hired for these type of projects that have not been approved by DSA. It's not worth the risk! You can and will be sued, you can and may possibly lose your certification. Who is the inspector to circumvent the law by inspecting an un-approved project? By virtue of certification the inspector cannot say he/she didn't know. It's a question on the exam! Good luck with this Inspector DSA Lock, NO inspector should be sued.

Wow, the reality of inspection. Inspector Lock doesn't say who he is being sued by. I would imagine the district. The code is clear and although inspectors need the work, it is a risk when taking public money for work that is not approved by DSA. THIS IS THE LAW PEOPLE! Don't trust the Construction Managers who say they'll get you more work if you get them through this unapproved project. YOU CAN BE SUED! California Education Code 17307. No contract for the construction or alteration of any school building, made or executed by the governing board of any school district or other public board, body, or officer otherwise vested with authority to make or execute a contract, is valid, and no public money shall be paid for any work done under a contract or for any labor or materials furnished in constructing or altering any building, unless the plans, specifications, and estimates comply in every particular with the provisions of this article and the requirements prescribed by the Department of General Services and unless the approval thereof in writing has first been had and obtained from the Department of General Services.

Dear INSPECTOR DSA LOCK. I'm going to stay clear of this one. I understand the situation. I understand that even if you're a good inspector liked by the District, lawyers cost money and you'll probably need one. No architect. An unresponsive engineer. No DSA approval. This was a recipe for disaster from the beginning and I'm sorry you allowed yourself to get involved. Hopefully others will learn from your experience. Thanks for the info Inspector Lock.

DEAR BOB, I HAVE WORKED FOR SEVERAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT WENT INTO CONTRACTS WITH A CONTRACTOR (SAME CONTRACTOR) FOR MODERNIZATION WORK THAT WAS STARTED LONG BEFORE DSA APPROVED PLANS WERE EVER SUBMITTED OR RECIEVED. IN SOME CASES THE WORK WAS COMPLETED BEFORE DSA APPROVAL. THE DISTRICTS HIRED ME TO INSPECT DURING THE CONTRUCTION PHASES OF WORK. WE INSPECTORS LIKE TO WORK SO I TOOK THE JOB. I KEPT DSA AWARE OF THIS SITUATION, BUT UNTIL THEY HAVE A APP# TO WORK WITH THEY DO NOT HAVE MUCH INPUT. IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THE CONTRACTOR & HIS SUBS HAD NO SCHOOL EXPERIENCE AND THERE WAS NO ARCHITECT. THEY DID HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO HAD VERY LITTLE CONTACT WITH ME. BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME THESE PROJECTS HAVE GONE ON AND VARIOUS OTHER ISSUES WITH QUALITY ETC., THE DISTRICTS ARE SUING THE CONTRACTOR AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS SUING ME, THE CONTRACTOR & ALL OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS, BECAUSE HE IS BEING SUED BY THE CONTRACTOR AND THE DISTRICTS. I AM ALSO BEING SUED BY THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE HE IS BEING SUED BY THE DISTRICTS. I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THESE PROJECTS THREW-UP A RED FLAG FROM THE START. MY "PUNCH LISTS" w/ ACCOMPANYING PHOTOS WAS MAJOR! I SPOKEN WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DISTRICTS. THEY ARE HAPPY WITH MY WORK AND HAVE SO STATED, HOWEVER I AM NOW BEING SUED FOR DOING MY JOB. I HAD NO LIABILITY. INSURANCE AT THE TIME. I AM UNSURE AS TO WHAT LIABILITY I HAVE IN THIS AS IT WOULD SEEM THAT I WAS WORKING UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE DISTRICTS AT THEIR REQUESTS. THE DISTRICTS ATTORNEY DOESN'T THINK I FALL UNDER THEIR UMBRELLA. ANY INPUT???

Yes i have heard of ACIA (acia.com). They've been around at least half of my inspection career time (26 years)...+ or -. I have heard that many members are OSHPD inspectors. I have also been left with the impression that they have worked hard to provide access to seminars and other means of expanding an inspector's knowledge base. I'm basically self-taught and entered the field from welding, NDT and underwater commercial diving school in 1980. I have been a member and continue to be a member of several organizations. It's safe to say that, even when I didn't want to attend a meeting or seminar; when I did, I always learned some valuable bit of information. It is also a great way to network and meet other inspectors. I'm addressing your question in a broad based manner. What you don't hear about is the struggle for power and monetary independence that all these organizations engage in. And who pays for it? You and I when we join, attend seminars, purchase books and aquire licenses/certifications. AWS and ASNT have been having it out over the past few years over control of non-destructive testing certification. ACIA, at one time, was pushing for recognition by municipalities to gain in-road to certification recognition previously (and currently) dominated by the ICC - previously ICBO). For some organizations there is also a competetive push to developing domination on both a national and international level (e.g. ICC). All of these organizations offer educational material, seminars, and certifications that cost an increasing amount of money. If you're rich I suppose it doesn't matter. Let me give you an example. I hold an ASNT NDT Level III certification. To maintain this cert I needed 6 points over 5 years. I could teach, give a lecture, attend meetings and write two articles to get the points. Now they are going to 26 points. The only way to get that many points (assuming you're not an engineer that publishes highly technical white papers) is to fly around the U.S., staying in hotels and attending seminars put on by ASNT! I don't have the time or money to do this and I think it is wrong that no credit, NONE, is given for experience or time spent in the field. This is the way many organizations are going. They get a political foothold and then turn on their members with financial and time committments that are unrealistic, when you consider that someone like me holds 6 or 7 certifications. ACIA is attractive for the reason that it promotes continuing education and strives for a higher level of knowledge amongst its core group of members/inspectors. My recommendation is to be selective in which organizations you join. Find the one that feels right for YOU. Attend a meeting or two and speak with members. Personally I've hit the wall. I belong to 3 organizations and have access to all the information I have time or the willingness to access and absorb...so I have chosen NOT to sign up with ACIA, the newer kid-on-the block when compared to ICBO, AWS, ASNT...

Inspector Bob, have you heard of the American Construction Inspectors Association? I was given a flyer to a meeting by one of their members but don't know if they are worth my time. I looked at their website and they have a lot of members. Are their seminars worthwhile and are they worth my time Bob? Thanks.

Dear Inspector Guy. Ahh...the power of email. I wasn't referring to you at all when I said "what's the beef". I meant, what specific part of the bond proposal do other people; people who are complaining, have a beef with? I read the main text body of the proposal and could not find any negative references to hang my hat on. It was a legitimate question directed at those who are finding fault with it so don't take us off your bookmark list yet....we like your comments!

I'M NOT SURE WHY INSPECTOR GUY GOT UPSET WITH YOU FOR JUST ASKING IF YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING , TRUST ME , I'M JUST AS CONFUSED AS YOU ARE . THERE ARE A LOT OF E-MAILS FLYING SAYING THAT THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THE BILL THAT ELIMINATES THE C.B.C CODES THAT REQUIRE D.S.A. AND O.S.H.P.D. INSPECTORS AND GIVES THIS AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY OR CITY BUILDING INSPECTORS . I HAVEN'T SEEN IT , BUT I HAVEN'T READ EVERY WORD OF THE BILL . IS THIS THE CASE ? SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THIS ASPECT OF THE BILL AND LET US KNOW , OK? THANKS , AND I REALLY LIKE YOUR WEB SITE AND HOPE YOU CAN GET THE DISTRICTS LOOKING FOR INSPECTORS UP TO DATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE .

You need to revisit my post and chill out. READ the post. There is no beef, I had a legitimate question. If you choose to fly off at the handle like this for a genuinely inquisitive question then perhaps you're not the inspection guru you portray yourself to be here. Since you have 'connections' at DSA, we inspectors are genuinly curious as to what Inspector Bob really knows and will share with us. I didn't say 'I know", I said many emails are being sent out. I know this because I received several from people I don't know. Most of them from Northern Cal from www.californiainspectorsassociation.com. If you don't know the answer, say it. Don't shoot the messenger! This will be my last post here and I'm deleting this website from my bookmark list. I can get much better information elsewhere without emotional responses.

Dear IG: Am I missing something? The proposed bond appears to support the Field Act.

Reading the following text it also appears to support inspection as an essential element.

OK Bob, What do your sources at DSA tell you about AB 127? There is currently a mass hysteria in effect currently. There are lots of emails frantically flying around by a bunch of inspectors scared for their jobs. The language in the bill mentions nothing of eliminating DSA altogether nor does it mention the elimination of inspectors. Do your homework and get back to this one.

I might need some help on this one guys (?). I assume that when you ask about tracking RFP's, you are refering to Requests for Proposals. If you are an inspector, I also assume that your question is geared to tapping into public information. I am not an expert in this subject...I've seen some large school districts send out RFPs by fax to a data base of inspector's that have solicited the District or previously worked on District projects as an inspector. I have seen firms representing Districts call DSA inspectors from the approved inspector list. Some Districts post RFPs in local newspapers. One of the reasons I started this web site was to provide a place for Districts to post RFPs (also called RFQs) and for inspectors to see the listings. I have not yet sent out notices to the Districts of this service but intend to do so ASAP. Anyone else have a comment?

What is the best most efficent method to track RFP's, any information or suggestions would be greatly appriciated.

Interested, There are some significant changes that the IRS has placed on S-Corp as of July 2005. If you're the only person listed as all three officers, you cannot be an S-Corp. This applies to current corps as well so no one gets grandfathered in. Regarding being sued, Admin Code 3-342(a) states, "The Project Inspector shall act under the direction of the architect or registered engineer". What E & O policy would pay out under those terms? Why should an inspector even be consider to be sued for following the architects diretion in the first place is the big question here. A lot of district facility folk require inspectors to carry E & O because many of the inspection firms have convinced them that this is necessary. Lastly, if you only work for an inspection company that holds the contract, that company is liable. If a framer does faulty work, the contractor he works for is responsible for it isn't he? Same situation. See your accountant and good luck buddy.

C=comment S-CORP. vs LLC. good question. i'm in the same boat. some inspectors i have talked to say that they are now S-CORPS but are thinking of becoming a LLC. LLC is a new option within the last few years. i understand it is alot easier (tax reasons), but offer a little less liability security. but dont konw much more. my question would be -- DO DSA INSPECTORSD GET SUED THAT OFTEN? i have never heard of it. also if you work for someone that has the contract with the school, how liable would you be.

Your accountant is the person to answer this one. The two of you must look at your liabilities, tax obligations, and what assets you have to protect to make a determination. Sole proprietorship is also a legitiment choice. Incorporation has its benefits but it also has its obligations (e.g. meeting minutes, higher accounting costs, fees, etc).

Inspector BOB, i hope this is an easy question. I'm a class 3 inspector that has a contract with an inspection company not the school. and im wondering what whould be the best option for me. An S-corporation or an LLC. my accoutant seems to think that i would be better of with an LLC. Any info from a tax filling, liability, or inspectors view? thanks, Hector

A: Please go to this link: http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov/InspectorInfo/default.htm When you get to the web page you will see this item: Inspector Related IRs Project Inspector Certification and Approval (IR A-7) (67 KB) Project Inspector and Assistant Inspector Duties and Performance (IR A-8) (71 KB) Assistant Inspector Approval (IR A-12) (62 KB) Click on "Assistant Inspector Approval (IR A-12)". All the info is there. If you need more information, call or contact DSA at this address: Inspector Testing and Certification Program Manager, Project Inspector Unit, Division of the State Architect – Headquarters, 1102 Q Street, Suite 5100, Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 324-1282. Good luck!

Q:I am interested in becoming an assistant inspector, and would like to know how to get my name on the assistant inspector list. can you help me?

R: I was laughing about the IOR acronym...I was an OSHPD Class A inspector before I became a DSA Class 1 inspector and you're right, IOR is a carry-over. However, it is so commonly used on every project that, after so many years, it stays with you. When I saw that you are using "PI" I had to stop and think what that meant....project inspector, of course! Regarding your question; it is made clear in the introductory page that there is no site affiliation with "DSA", as in the "Department of the State Architect".

Unless someone else wants to cover what to do when a project starts without approved documents, I think that both your comments and my own comments (below) will give some food-for-thought to other inspectors that end up in a similar situation.

Comment: Let's start off first by establishing that this is in no way an attack on your character Bob however, as the name implies, you have established yourself as the DSA Inspection Resource. First, I believe you should have included that although you cannot function as the PI for the project without approved docs however in the best interest of the district you can and will provide courtesy documented observations. Also that if the approved docs differ from the construction docs when received, must be dealt with according to CBC and DSA. Keep in mind that should any structural changes be necessary, PCOs cannot be sent to DSA for construction without approved docs. You can’t issue Deviation Notices either. You are now dependent on the Construction Manager to do his job (no comment).

Regarding your referral to school inspectors as IOR, that is an OSHPD acronym. DSA and the Administrative Code refer us as Project Inspectors, not Inspectors of Record. California Education Code 17307 states that without approval, the contract is not valid and no public money shall be paid for materials and labor. You were wise not to sign the pay app. Your answer differs somewhat how I handled my own situation, that’s okay. However this is also another reason that DSA should consider standardizing the way we PIs do business across the state. But that’s my own opinion, you need not agree. One last question Bob, did you first obtain permission from DSA to use the name DSA Inspection Resource prior to setting up shop? As I said earlier, no attack on anyone, just call me Curious PI. Enquiring minds need to know, are you legit? Enjoy the weekend we’ve all been working too hard in the heat lately.

A: Great question. It has happened to me, even recently on the school project I am currently on. My project is a mod and new construction. There is one A# for each phase. I had fully approved plans for the Mod at project start date. On the new work, which included 5 new concrete and steel structures, I had a set of plans with DSA stamps on each page but only a few stamps were actually signed and dated by DSA. I considered this to be a non-approved set of plans. DSA asks that the project inspector make an attempt at resolving an issue with the contractor or architect prior to issuing a notice of non-compliance. I issued a dated and signed transmittal to the CM firm, the contractor, and DSA stating "I am unable to effectively fulfill my duties as the Class 1 IOR on...(project name and ID) due to a lack of approved drawings. I cannot assume any liability for work currently in progress without a complete set of approved documents in my possession. Any work proceeding without approved drawings is done so at the contractor's own risk." I attached a copy of Article 5. Certification of Construction,Part 1, Title 24, C.C.R.; indicating that DSA approval of plans and specifications is required prior to letting a construction contract or starting construction. I called the architect and DSA to speak with them about the situation and brought it up at the first site meeting. In my case, the contractor was not willing to start construction "at his own risk". DSA contacted the architect. In my case, approved documents were provided in the form of a DSA approved addendum that included approvals for all the sheets on the drawings that were not signed by DSA. Had I not been successful in receiving these documents I would have issued a notice of non-compliance to all parties, including DSA and placed another call to DSA.

Just so you know, none of this was done in a vindictive manner. I was courteous and allowed the architect to respond. It is irrelevant what anybody tells you verbally. You either have a set of DSA approved documents at your access or you don't; it doesn't matter that some non-structural item is holding up approval. You don't ever want to watch a project come to a grinding halt, structure dismantled, delay claims issued, or lawsuits issued because you willingly let a project proceed without approved documents. You cannot "stop" the project yourself, but you can notify everyone of a non-compliant issue in a timely manner and free yourself of potential liability. That's my opinion and I believe it reflects the intent of the law.

Regarding the second part of your question; I won't sign pay applications for any work that is not backed up by DSA approved documents, period. What if it has to be torn out later because of DSA comments? Let the CM sign it.

Q: Inspector Bob, Tell us how you would handle this scenerio: You are the approved Project Inspector on a site on which two seperate projects with seperate DSA app numbers are assigned. The CM and Architect hands you a set of plans which are not approved and requests that you inspect this project. The architect tells you that the project is approved for FLS and SS but the Access plan checker is holding up approval. Let's add to the issue. The CM requests that you review and sign the contractor's pay application. Now, what would Inspector Bob do?

Comment: Not necessarily IB. This could also be a project specific requirement. The inspector should comb through his approved specifications, approved drawing general notes, approved submittals and of course consult with the AOR. An efficient inspector should leave no stone unturned when referencing project requirements. Remember that all codes are minimum requirements and that designers tend to err on the side of safety and exceed them as they should. Have you any idea of the cost of E & O insurance? It's crazy.

Response: Thank you. We're not forgetting where the law stands as much as we're looking for an interpretation of a particular code section. IR, of course, stands for 'interpretation of regulations'. While not enforceable, they do provide a indication of which way the state leans in its interpretation of the code on a particular subject. I use the IRs as a reference when it comes to suspended ceilings and concrete anchors. Many DSA field engineers have visited my job sites over the years and asked me if I had the latest IRs, suggesting that I reference them. They obviously put some weight in them. I realize this is a separate topic, but I've found that handbooks that interpret the NEC, NFPA 13, and the Life Safety Code are also useful in helping me interpret the intent of a particular code section. The bottom line on the previous discussion is that we're not absolutely sure that a 2 inch cross-runner that attaches at the wall would require a hanger wire, or if the wire just needs to be a maximum of 8 inches from the wall. Does the CBC specifically answer this question?

Comment: You're both forgetting that the IRs are not enforceable, DSA will tell you that. Your first line of defense is of course is the CBC. For suspended ceilings chapter 25A is your best bet.

A: Dear Raul: I spoke with you on the phone this afternoon. IR M-3 is now superceded by IR 25-1. Visit DSA web site for PDF file. A link is available in the scroll menu above. The requirement for perimeter hanger wires is based on a measurement of 8 inches maximmum from the wall OR 1/4 of the length of the end runner, whichever is less. It's a matter of interpretation, but it seems that a wire is required by the "1/4 of the length of the end runner" rule. I'd like to see a definition of "end runner" if anyone knows where to find it. I understand that you are talking about short cross runners that are snapped into the main runner and secured to the wall angle. I admit that I have had occassion where I did not require a wire at this condition. Your IOR must make that call based on his/her interpretation of the code. In addition, at walls where the cross runner is longer than 12 inches and not attached at the wall angle, a V-strut is required to stabilize the cross runners. Maybe someone else has some input? I'll follow up with a call to DSA. If I'm wrong I'll let you know.

Q: IR-M-3 1.2 CALL OUT CEILINGS WIRES TO BE 8" OF THE SUPPORT OR 1/4 OF LENGTH OF THE END OF TEE FOR PERIMETER OF CEILING. MY QUESTION IS IF CROSS TEE IS 2" TO 7" IS WIRE STIL NEEDED.

Final Response: To Inspector Guy: Thanks for your input on a very interesting topic. I'll let this thread sit as-is on the site so that other inspectors can read it. I really enjoyed discussing this topic...thanks again!

Response: Regarding the excuse for brokers being involved in school inspection, the liability insurance and $1M auto insurance requirements are within reason are priced reasonably and are affordable for individual inspectors. As for errors and omissions insurance, the brokers market this idea to the unsuspecting districts who don't realize that the inspectors do not design the project. The inspector works under the direction of the architect (4-333(a), 4-342(a) so why should the inspector be required to have E & O? Give me one case where an inspector carrying E & O had a claim filed against him. If the district defaults on contractual payments treat it as any other legally binding contract. Besides most of the brokers constantly stiff hard working inspectors and drag out payments and threaten inspectors jobs so who needs them. As for the broker who is owed hundreds of thousands, they should have better business sense. As for brokers representing several inspectors, hogwash Bob. I get cold calls nearly everyday from some broker and/or testing lab requesting my resume so they can use it along with others to present to districts as their employees. Most of them engage into contract for inspection without a clue who they are going to get to perform the inspection. If only the districts realized this. The only inspectors I know of who have jumped ship as you put it were sick and tired of the daily micro management of the brokers who don't care about jeopardizing the inspector's certification that the inspectors go elsewhere. Many brokers insist the inspectors not file their Form DSA-6 until the districts pay them. This is illegal Bob. The brokers don't have an inspector who's waiting for the phone to ring so they get on the DSA list and cold call everyone including you and me Bob. The only statement that I can agree with you on is that the districts have created their own problem. They have naively allowed the brokers to BS their way into the business of something they have no business being in, contracting public school inspection. FACT: Districts who hire their inspectors directly close their projects with DSA certification more often than districts who hire brokers. As soon as more districts go back to the California Administrative Code 4-341(d) the better. It states the the architect shall submit the name of the inspector to DSA, not the broker, not the CM. 4-333(b) makes no mention that the broker can replace the inspector. Any removal of an inspector must have concurrance with DSA. Bottom line Bob, you appear to side with the broker and not the inspector. You do not represent me.

Response: I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I only work with brokers. I have, and will continue to work directly with school districts whenever the opportunity presents itself.

An interesting set of dynamics is taking place that can play into an inspector's decision to work through a broker. I worked directly for a particular school district for 10 years. During that time I went from getting paid every 15 days to 30 days to 45 days to 60 days and then irregularly. Insurance requirements went from none-required to 1-mil comprehensive for automobile, then workman's comp, then professional liability, then errors and omissions. Some "brokers" are professional inspectors and/or engineers, provide payment to the inspector every 15 days and provide umbrella insurance coverage, or at least partial coverage, and take on the responsibility of being owed money by the District when they won't pay. I know of a "broker" who is owed over a hundred thousand in two separate districts. Some districts are simply not paying (I could name two, but I won't). To pay the inspector's, the broker must use a line-of-credit and pay the interest/fees. When you add up cost of errors-and-omissions insurance, use of a credit-line to pay inspectors regularly, and general office processing costs... it certainly increases to overhead and cost to the district.

Another problem seems to be that school districts gravitate to brokers (also called inspection or consulting firms) because the broker represents several qualified inspectors. A district may have need for simultaneous inspection at multiple sites. Lastly, some individual inspectors have a habit of "jumping ship' in the middle of a project. Many Districts are wary of this and want to hire firms that can provide a back-up if this occurs. I enjoyed working directly with the school districts until this big shift in priorities happened. Many districts in southern California have opened the door by holding back payments and making demands that make it difficult for an individual inspector to compete. I'm left with the impression, perhaps wrongly so, that the school districts have may have created their own problem (?).

Comment: Regarding your comment on "exploiting inspectors"...if helping an inspector get work or a District to find an inspector is exploitation, I must be missing something.. Inspector Bob you are missing something. For instance, the district is paying far too much for inspection when dealing with a broker. Why should someone who has no certs make a profit from the Field Act?? No wonder districts are complaining about the price of inspection because people like you who work for brokers are contributing to the problem. The inspector is supposed to be working directly for the district.

Response: Dear "Raise the Bar". My personal experience has taught me that sources of information that add to the inspector's knowledge base come from many places. I have no affiliation or special knowledge of the Inspector Academy (.com), other than they have set up a web site that appears to promote education through preparation of prospective inspectors for taking the DSA examination. I do not promote them...I simply offer access to something I found that you MIGHT find useful. One would assume that the remaining tasks; getting approved to take the exam, passing the exam, and, most important of all, getting approved by DSA, the engineer, the District and the architect for each project, would put in place the necessary safe-guards to insure that a qualified individual is selected to perform the inspections. One would also assume that mature individuals will be able to decipher for themselves what represents an acceptable source for educational information.

I would equate this to courses that prepare individuals to take the ICC exam. A shoe salesman can take a course, pass the exam and get certified. Although I don't personally agree with this format, the bottom line, again, is that the end user has a responsibility to interview and check an inspector's background before hiring them. Perhaps like yourself, I came out of the ranks of NDT, welding, concrete and masonry inspection before qualifying as a DSA inspector. It pains me to see people walk into this field with limited experience. But again, DSA, the architects and the engineers have a responsibility in the process as well, since they ultimately must approve the inspector for a project.

I'd like to ask you some questions; with limited sources for education and training available to people that want to become DSA inspectors, what is the direction they should take? Doesn't DSA have an ultimate responsibility in deciding who's qualified to take the exam? And lastly, if a private source sets up a web site and offers information, courses or training or whatever, isn't it the responsibility of the individual to be mature enough to decide if it's beneficial to them?

Regarding your comments on "self-appointed guru". I'm not a self-appointed anything. All I've done is create a forum and an offering of personal knowledge, things I wish I had available to me over my initial years as a DSA inspector.

Regarding your comment that brokers who post on the site don't find work...First of all, Districts are also welcome to post on the site, allowing individuals like yourself to contact them directly about work. The site is new and most Districts don't even know about it yet. They will. It could be a way to post RFQ's. Secondly, I know for a fact that DSA inspectors that have posted on the site are, in fact, being considered for upcoming positions. I have been contacted by inspection firms and some of them have immediate positions available. As for the rest, does it really hurt to have your resume circulated around to Districts? Maybe a job will come to you a couple years down the road because they had previously considered your resume.

Regarding your comment on "exploiting inspectors"...if helping an inspector get work or a District to find an inspector is exploitation, I must be missing something..

Comment: Regarding Inspector Bobs post on May 24; As a DSA Certified Inspector who earned his cert through years of legitimate construction experience and legitimately passed continuing education taking no shortcuts, I take exception to the fact that you recommend inspection academy (no relation to DSA) in the same sentence as the legitimate DSA Academy. Inspector academy was created by two inspectors who only recently were certified (within 2 years) and now present themselves as authorities and teachers of DSA policies and procedures including the exam. DSA Certified inspectors enforce the Field Act and any of them who slipped past the radar should have their certs revoked. Perhaps DSA should utilized oral exams as well as written to weed these people out. Anyone with questions regarding DSA should contact their field engineers or thier regional office not self appointed gurus who put up websites. Anyone can do that. Your site also gives a forum to 'job shop broker' who have NO affiliation with DSA rather convince naive districts to contract inspection with them and in turn exploit project inspectors. Note that none who post on this site have jobs to offer, they are only asking for resumes to present to districts as their own inspectors to secure more contracts. Inspectors should avoid these brokers at all costs. What inspectors working for these brokers don't realize is that once DSA approves the inspector for a project, that broker cannot remove the inspector. Only DSA can withdraw the project inspector's approval, NOT the broker.

Comment: Inspect ERgadget: Anyone conducting 'DSA Cert Classes' outside of DSA are not official and should not be considered as a viable source of information to help you get certified. Only bonafide experience and education will qualify an applicant. To get the real deal go to the Official DSA Academy at <http://www.applications.dgs.ca.gov/dsa_academy/default.asp> to prevent yourself from being misled by certain people who present themselves as 'DSA experts'. At all costs do avoid unofficial publications and "online training' that promise to guide you through the exam process. Would you fly in a plane with a pilot who took a shortcut through their licensing process? Organizations such as the American Construction Inspectors Association <www.acia.com> can also be a good source of information but they also do not endorse any shortcuts through the exam process.

A#3. Regarding your answer to Inspector Brenda: The simple answer is that the Field Act which became law on April 10, 1933 does not apply to Universities. The Field Act only covers Grades K - 14. This includes community college buildings.

A #2. Portable Partitions. You need to look at Chapter 16, DIV. 1 (1611.5) and related sections of Title 24. Section 1611.5 states, "interior walls, permanent partitions and temporary partitions that exceed 6 feet in height shall be designed to resist all loads to which they are subjected". Some design exceptions are noted for flexible, folding and portable partitions, but they also must be anchored to meet the provisions of the code. Bottom line: Greater than 6 feet height seems to be the height at which anchorage for portable partitions must be detailed. Your architect or engineer is responsible for providing these details. The CSU system may have engineered approved standardized specifications that they adhere to when partitions are installed. Their requirements could exceed the code requirements. Use the most stringent of the two.

A. Reply to Inspector Brenda: I am supplying you with the following information about the Cal State University system. As you can see, they recognize the California amendments to the UBC and in doing so subscribe to the requirements of the Title 24, but the university has it's own authority outside the control of DSA (Division of the State Architect). In a nutshell, they can hire a DSA certified inspector and use Title 24 code requirements, but they do not answer to DSA. Read on to answer more of your questions about the CSU system.

The University is subject to general police power regulations enacted by the Legislature, including fire and life safety standards. Because of its autonomy, the University is not subject to local building codes. The University has chosen to comply with the California amendments to the Uniform Building Code, Fire Code, Electrical Code, Mechanical Code, Plumbing Code, Energy Code, and the California Elevator Safety Construction Code. Some of you have asked for clarification about who, if anyone, on a campus is the "building official", and what are the attendant responsibilities . This issue is confusing, because of the University's constitutional autonomy under Article IX, Section 9, of the California Constitution. That autonomy gives the University different responsibilities from state agencies, cities, or counties. The University is subject to general police power regulations enacted by the Legislature, including fire and life safety standards. The University is not subject to some other building standards. However, the University has chosen to comply with the California amendments to the Uniform Building Code and the Uniform Fire Code.

The University, because of its constitutional autonomy, acts as its own "building official." Each campus, as a part of the University's decentralized structure, has a building official. On the campus, the manager of the design and construction organization is the building official. The manager's responsibility is to ensure that all campus design and construction projects comply with state building code requirements for fire and life safety, and requirements of general statewide concern , e.g., disabled access standards and energy conservation .

For specific answers to questions about modular wall heights you must consult the specifications provided by the campus you are working on, which will traditionally follow guidelines set up by the CSU governing body. Also refer to Title 24, Chapter 16, DIV. 1 (1611.5) for code information on maximum heights and anchorage.

Q. Does DSA have anything to do with Universities and inspection? What does DSA stand for? When using Modular Wall partitions is there a maximum height restriction? If we are to go over that maximum height, what is necessary to pass inspection? Who would be approving final drawings with regards to Freestanding and Modular furnishings?

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